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I'm located in Canada, so maybe it takes time for the full scale update to occur in certain regions.
Dayo_UK - What is the difference between a site that has PR on the [URL.com...] and [URL.com?...]
Does this weigh in in terms of rankings? If so, do you get PR by simply pointing a PR link to the non-www. site?
It is nice to see an updated PR though.
joined:Apr 24, 2005
But I'm not sure what you mean by 'internal link structure'.
One thing to be very careful about is that you never alter a URL. The W3C says "Cool URIs Never Change".
Now, you can change the *content* of what's at a URL but what you NEVER EVER want to do is to have a page that used to be at www.example.com/file.html simply cease to exist.
If you had any SERPs and PageRank, then get your site redesigned in such a way that all your files have different names then they used to, then as soon as google attempts - and I say "attempts" for a reason - to reindex your site, it will get a bunch of 404s and your PR and SERPs will drop through the floor.
If you *must* move a page, use a permanent redirect. Here's how to do it if you use the Apache web server. If you use IIS or something else, then say so and maybe someone else can help. Place the following either in your apache.conf file, or in a .htaccess file in the same directory where the file used to be:
Redirect permanent /where/itusedtobe.html http://www.example.com/its/herenow.html
That is, the old location is given relative to the root directory of your web pages, while the new location is an *absolute* URL starting with http and the domain name.
My site grew organically over a period of seven years. Now that I'm earning my keep from adsense, I'm working over the whole site very carefully (and slowly :-<). I have a few pages that either I don't want to be there anymore, or that are at URLs that are hard for visitors to remember or type. As I remove pages, I redirect them to the main index to my content. If I move content, then I redirect it to its new location.
If as I hope isn't the case, your redesign has a brand-new structure that's completely different than your old site, then hopefully you made a backup before rolling out your new site. If you didn't, maybe you can find a snapshot in the Wayback Machine.
I'll send you my bill in the mail.
joined:May 5, 2005
I know that PR doesn't really make any difference, but it was a good selling point to advertisers.
I've just got some PR (PR2-4) for my one year old site. Previously all pages were PR0. The only significant change I made was to link each page to about 5 or 6 semi-authority sites with PR5 or 6 (I couldn't really find any authority sites) which were on the 1st page of the SERPS for certain keywords. Most of the pages don't have any backlinks.
I notice that I get a higher PR for www.mysite.com/folder/ than I do for www.mysite.com/folder/index.php. Is there anything significant about this?
NB: All my internal links use the full url [mysite.com...] and most pages don't have any backlinks, although there are a couple of pages with backlinks to www.mysite.com/folder/ (also for the home page www.mysite.com). All major pages are linked to each other and to the home page and sitemap page by the use of a common menu via a php include.
OT: Will using common php includes on pages for such things as header/footer/menu etc trigger any duplicate content penalties?
joined:Apr 24, 2005
Didn't GoogleGuy say that for Google SERPs and "internal Google purposes" that the PR is is updated continuously?
I'm pretty sure also that the PageRank value Google uses internally is a floating point number rather than an integer. Maybe they scale it so all pages range from 0.0 to 10.0, but I'm certain that one can be in between.
I don't think a site will sit at PR 5 for months and then jump instantly to 6. Instead it will be, in google's internal view, 5.0, 5.1, 5.3 and so on, and then when it goes over 5.5 and gets rounded up, what we see on the outside changes abruptly from 5 to 6.
I have two PR 6 pages now, and a bunch of PR 5 pages. I'm very fortunate that google indexes any new content I post within a few days. I'm then able to see the URL become known to google when I search for it, then a few days later, it will get a few referrals, whereupon I can see where it's appeared in the SERPs, and then over a couple weeks I can see it steadily climb to what will usually be a stable-long term position.
If Google's updates weren't to some extent continuous, I wouldn't see that behaviour. Instead, I'd see pages go from completely unknown into their final place overnight.
So is Google now the only pr10 site?
Yahoo has always been shuttling between 9 and 10, so no surprises there. There are still many PR10s. adobe.com, apple.com, mac.com, nsf.gov for example.
I believe, this PR update has a unique significance in that, between this update and the pervious we spent few exciting days talking about the no-show of TbPR, when Google had pulled down the PR from the toolbar. Good to see Google determined to keep the TbPR, and this update corroborates it.
joined:Apr 24, 2005
Then I realized it would be better to post it as a new thread in the Search Engine Promotion forum. It's here: White Hat Search Engine Optimization [webmasterworld.com]
That's the case with lots of my pages now. The short version is that you make people want to click your link when it shows up in the SERPs at all, and then you make them want to stay once they arrive.
If there is interest I'll have more to say in the coming days.
Went through your contributions and visited your site. Thanks for generous sharing spirit. Much appreciated.
However, I wish to see your various posts compiled somewhere on one place to the benefit of beginners and new users fellow members.
joined:Apr 24, 2005
I wish to see your various posts compiled somewhere on one place to the benefit of beginners and new users fellow members.
I'd be quite pleased if the WebmasterWorld moderators compiled all my posts and put them all in one place here.
I do have some of them in one place, but if I told you where, I'd be violating the WebmasterWorld terms of service!
I genuinely try to be helpful, as I have been able to achieve what I have because many, many other people went to a lot of trouble to help me. I want to give some of that back.
I do so at WebmasterWorld because a friend who is also a member here described the site as filled with "clueless and desperate webmasters". If you search google for keywords of interest to webmasters who want to earn a living from their site, you will find many top search results presented by sharks, scammers and ripoff artists.
That's just not right, and I want to put them all out of business. There's plenty of money to be made by honest people doing honest work.
>I'd be quite pleased if the WebmasterWorld moderators compiled all my posts and put them all in one place here.<
You have two ways to go ;-)
- Within Webmasterworld you are able to compile within one post the links to your contributions of your choice. You will be able in future to reffer to that exact post.
- Compile the links on a page on your site and mention the link to that page within your profile.
As most of you should know, the value that G's use internally as PageRank value is much more accurate than the 0-10 scale that the Toolbar shows us.
Hence forward, pr is used to refer the internal (real) value of PageRank and PR is used to refer the toolbar's value, in order to abbreviatte.
So, there has to be some kind of function, f() that fulills PR = f(pr).
We also know that 0 <= PR <= 10; but we know nothing about the limits of pr. In order to make it easier, we'll assume that pr has no other limit than representability (if it's representable, then it's a possible value for pr). Using this model, the pr value of files would go increasing undefinedly, so in order to keep the PR result in-limits, the f() function has to be arranged. But before I can induce the possible ways to arrange f(), we should know a bit more about it. We know that f(pr) increases as pr does, and many people assumes that it's based on a logarythmic scale, so, f(pr)= k*log(base, pr)+n, where k, base and n would be constants that only Google can know (even so, we can and will figure them out aproximately). The function I've given above is a generic logarythm function; most porbably, n=0 so it can be ommited, and very probably the k is a constant that we also can ommit. Then, we have to consider the part log(base, pr). If adjustement has to be made here, it can only be done on the base parameter, because pr is the input to f(), not an internal part of it.
Applying some maths:
log(base, pr) = PR <=> (is equivalent) base^PR = pr <=> pr^(1/PR) = base (pr^(1/PR) is the same that the PR-th root of pr, but is more 'typeable').
Then, taking this last equation on the limits... ok, first I'll define these limits:
lim(PR) = 10* (*there are some reasons to consider lim(PR)=11, but these are out of the concepts we are working with here, so I'll take the 10 value)
lim(pr) can only be defined as max(pr) (maximum possible value of pr)
Now, applying the last equality on these limits, we have:
base = max(pr)^0.1 (1/lim(PR) = 1/10 = 0.1), so the base of the logarythmic function is (indirectly) proportional to the max(pr). As more links are crawled by Google bots & spiders, higher the max(pr) value gets, so the base also grows. Taking the original formula PR = log(base, pr), as it increases 'base', for the same value of 'pr', PR decreases.
So, returning to the begining: Why does PageRank decreases? It does not decrease, but the scale it's being compared to increases.
Hoping this will be useful and not only weird,
Herenvardo - Junior webmaster, SEO & programmer
same here had a 6,5,4 on three different sites, the 6 has now dropped to its old 5 and the 5 & 4 had gone back to zeros, although I do think its probably a toolbar glitch
I think Google is having some sort of PR issue since sometimes detect them and sometimes don't when you make a search link:www.yoursite.com, and that affects all of us. I have links from sites somehow related or very related to my theme, and I haven request links to gambling of porn sites.
I hope they are fixing it so that all links count. Since you have a PR5 site, you must know how to get it and keep it.