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12:06 am on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Noticed changes in PR for sites of mine right now! Finally!
7:29 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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New site : PR0 -> PR6

Although i have a feeling this site will be sandboxed for about 10 years.

7:33 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Weird here... I've got 2 new sites. Homepage is PR3 while internal pages are PR4 mostly.

Wel even My sites PR have same issues.

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7:34 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ditto arran

2 month old site just gone from 0 > 5 for me. I'm getting google traffic for some very obscure search terms (500 results), but not in the top 1000 for anything even remotely competitive (top 5 in Yahoo and MSN though).

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But don't see no changes in the SERP yet though..

Will there be any immidiete SERP's update after the PR update?

This isn't an index update, it's just a toolbar update. It's a snapshot of where PR stood not too long ago.

I have a site that I linked to on Thursday July 7th that is showing PR. If the snapshot was taken prior to July 7th, it wouldn't be showing PR, especially considering that the website didn't exist before the 7th.

[edited by: martinibuster at 7:37 am (utc) on July 15, 2005]

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New site : PR0 -> PR6

Although i have a feeling this site will be sandboxed for about 10 years.

Hey Arran ..
It looks G likes ur site a lot ...

Wel Cheers for PR Shot Up

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7:52 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is interesting...

One anomaly on a site I run has been sorted (the main domain was outranking a subdomain, despite the subdomain having 10 times as many backlinks)

However looks like G is still guessing the PR of all other pages on the site based on file structure.

8:06 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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From previous recent updates it did look like PR was getting harder to maintain but I'm not so sure with this one. PR6 pages I've got that I thought may drop haven't dropped. Some high PR5 pages on sites I haven't been building IBLs for have gone up to 6. Of several sites I maintain only one homepage has seen any deterioration in PR. DMOZ still shows up as a PR9 for me (dir.yahoo=9 as well). directory.google though is a surprising PR8.
8:17 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sites relying on dmoz as their best link will likely have gone down, even if not a whole point, due to Google's own goofball duplicate content handling of the Google Directory.

Sometimes directory.google.com/Top/... pages are the ones indexed and showing PR, while other times it is www.google.com/Top/... pages that show the PR. Whole sections of the Directory have their PR split between the two URL types, leading to significant drops in the PR of the pages further down the link structure.

If you happen to have a site listed on a page where the www.google.com/Top/... shows the pagerank, it will probably be at least a point less than if the directory.google.com page showed the pagerank (because the dmoz page links to directory.google.com pages and not www.google.com pages).

Anyway, once again Google devalues web (and niche) authority, this time by being inept.

<added, and now I've found some cases where both copies have PR>

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How accurate do you think the new PR Rankings are and will they stick, five sites launched in the last few months are
PR 4
PR 4
PR 3
PR 3
PR 3

all from zero

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I tend not to use toolbar PR for anything other than simple reference. Ie that site is about a 5. I rely on serp's listing for keywords for true representation.

However in my niche (I've always wanted to use that word) I have never seen above pr 4. In my short web dev/seo career I have never managed to get above pr 4.

Today I have pr 5 on my site.

Some of my smaller new site set up for community based stuff have gone from nothing to 2 or 3.

I know it means very little these days but I'm still going to celebrate tonight. Maybe not as much as when I took top spot on serp for my main keywords and maybe not as much as when I got top 10 for a very generic keyword, but celebrate all the same.

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A couple of my sites all came to life! Pr4-6.

Loving it!

How many days since last update?

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A couple of my sites all came to life! Pr4-6.

Loving it!

Hey Congrats Jaff

Last PR update was in April around 21-26 i don't remember the exact date.

Cheers!

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10:05 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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JEFFSTAR asked :
How many days since last update?
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Last PR update was : April the 22nd

... so 54 days (nearly 2 months)

10:19 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanxs Fredric
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Definitely see a change in PR for sites, index pages up by 1 or 2 notches, internal pages on newer sites up from 0PR-1PR to 3-4PR. Cool!

As for backlinks, try using link;mysite.com (using semi-colon) versus link:mysite.com (colon), you will see in most cases different results. One site I have shows only 29 backlinks on G using the colon. Using the semi-colon, 278 backlinks. Ummmmm, very interestink! ;)
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Now minutes later, my PR's are back to what they were! The new site back to a 0, and my established sites back to their higher levels! Thank God. Looks like G SERP's fluctuations all over again.

On my secondary unrelated sites, their NON-www versions are now showing the HIGHER PR value! This is the opposite of what it was! Those of you that did the 301 www redirect need to check this, you now may have the higher PR page directing to the lower PR page.

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Clint

>Looks like G SERP's fluctuations all over again.<

Expected to keep doing so for the next two weeks, I guess.

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One site I checked went up a point, I checked 5 minutes later and it's back to the same.

Data Centers updating? or hallucinations?

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My new site went from 0 to 5 even though I only have 1 article on it. Woot!
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I'd rather wait 3-4 days until all DC are syncronized before judging this TBPR update.
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The question is now will we see some changes in the serps or will there maybe come a new update.

Another thing I was afried that we would see much more scraper site in the links back, but it dont seem so, at least not here.

The sad thing in my situation is that I have some links from PR7, but still no PR after I was hijacked/302 googlebug

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My sites all stayed stable, My 3 PR3's and my 2 PR4's.
Only thing that changed was that the new interior pages (that I added along the last 2 months) jumped from 0PR to 2 or 3 PR.
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You are just seeing different datacentres every few minutes. That is normal DNS load sharing.
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Btw. when you guys expect changes on SERPs after this PR? I cannot notice any progress although one of my sites moved from PR0 to PR5 ...

Does it really mean that the TBPR is just TBPR not global PR. Does it really mean that PR is updated daily?

[edited by: engine at 5:11 pm (utc) on July 15, 2005]
[edit reason] No tools drops, thanks [/edit]

11:53 am on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It looks G likes ur site a lot ...

My new site went from 0 to 5 even though I only have 1 article on it.

There are anomalies like the canonical URL and 302s but the basic calculation of the tPR hasn't changed. It's not based on Google's mood, the number of articles on the site/page, or the number of visitors. It's based on IBLs, the PR of the pages with your IBLs and the number of links they are sharing that PR over.

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Well, my PR finally went back up, but if anything proves to me that the toolbar pagerank doesn't matter, it's the facts that:

1.) My PR dropped two updates in a row and stayed steady for two after that,
2.) At each update, my site rose in the SERPS
3.) My site just went back up from 4 to 5, yet still comes up a little below two competitors in the SERPS.

I like having a respectable PR just for any visitors who come by with the toolbar installed and happen to notice, but as far as the results are concerned, I don't care in the slightest since it doesn't seem to make the slightest difference.

12:24 pm on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone mind if we name this puppy, Update Danny?

Danny Sullivan was instrumental in almost everything in this industry. But recently he almost single handed got Google to give us the Sitemaps product.

12:27 pm on July 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Finally, a 7! :-)
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PR on the Google toolbar is being updated now! For all you who have been waiting this is the second longest it has taken for the update! Finally!
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Funny thing. I used a PR prediction tool that a well known designer and programmer has available. It said I was due to move up one point for PR. It moved down one point instead. Another great example that Google cannot be "predicted."

GUESS PR would be a more suitable name I think!

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