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12:06 am on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Noticed changes in PR for sites of mine right now! Finally!
1:22 am on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No surprises or oddities this time, for me anyway -- everything looks about right.
12:43 am on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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New to building websites wondering if google PR is going away and the impact if any this will have on listings.
1:04 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm sure this thing is far from finished, but here is what I see...

0 -> PR 3 for a 4mo old site
0 -> PR 4 for a 5mo old site
0 -> PR 4 for a 3mo old site

Some incremental juggling on established sites.

1:10 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Im not seing the changes directly - but I've noticed that one of my new sites (about 4 weeks old) is only showing backlinks for the datacenters that hold the new PR.

Im using an online PR checker tool and the IP posted in a previous message to see the changes to come.

Looks like a resonable update, although almost all my sites have remained the same (but I guess I've not made to many changes!)

All in all, I'm seing newer sites getting what they deserve - first time in over 1 year! are the old google days coming back? (probably not)

1:24 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site (since May) has gone from 0 to 3 \o/
1:49 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Toolbar PR has been a useless metric for a long time now. Does this update change that?
1:54 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The consensus here seems to be that toolbar PR is 'real' PR but with a time lag.

Could it be that the PR we are seeing updated today is the PR used during Bourbon?

Two of my sites that had their PR moved from 5 to 0 just before Bourbon (the April 22 PR update) have now got PR back. Both are now PR 4.

Since Bourbon happened about a month after the last PR update, it could be that we will see another SERP update in about a month.

If a pattern developed it might be useful in predicting future PR, algo, SERP updates.

1:57 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I didn't notice big changes on my sites PR really but I see it was updated.

BTW how do you go from PR 5 to 6? I'm stuck there, is just collecting more links the way to PR6?
How can I determine how many do I still need (years of work? months? decades?)

2:07 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Our PR3 is now a PR3. I'd like to think it went from a 3.001 to a 3.999

All internals have gone from 0>2

A secondary domain on a 301 to our primary domain has gone from 0>3

SERPs are up but they have been, day on day, for about 2 months. They're rarely static, but the content is ever changing so makes sense.

Not very high PR but constantly improving rank so no real complaints. Got some high quality, themed, one-way links on high PR pages - Surely that's the ticket regardless of the green.

Haven't heard much of the word 'trustrank' lately. G still reviewing sites to seed this alleged alternative?

2:14 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One site went from 6 to 5 on the homepage, but all internal pages when from 0 to 6. I've not seen this one before. Overall, I'm thinking that this was a pretty good update, PR seems to be ore in line with what it shows in the Google dir. I wonder if Google is going back to monthly updates?
2:23 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One of my 4 year old directory sites unexpectedly went from PR5 to Pr0 with the last update and I couldn't figure out why. This morning it's back at PR5...
2:29 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good PR jump here as well... from 0 -> 5. Internal pages got anywhere from 2 -> 4. The big question though is when do you think the SERP's will be updated. That normally happens after a PR update if I'm not mistaken. Thoughts?
2:35 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



I used to have just one PR6 page, my homepage, which advertised my brick & mortar business. The index to my content where I have adsense went from PR5 to PR6 yesterday. I'm very excited.

What I don't understand is that although I can see my traffic jumped by about 15% overnight - for two days now - I don't seem to be doing any better in the SERPs than I was before.

2:59 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<quote> The consensus here seems to be that toolbar PR is 'real' PR but with a time lag.

Could it be that the PR we are seeing updated today is the PR used during Bourbon?</quote>

In some cases possibly, in all cases certainly not - the reason is that many new sites that did'nt even exist when the bourbon was happening have obtained PR. It just goes to show that either there the PR we are seing today is at the very most a couple of weeks old, or some sites are treated differently (in that some sites PR is outdates, but other are not).

I'm seing very strong evidence to suggest that this PR update is very close to accurate - and very up to date.

The only problem is I'm still not seing the TBPR updates yet - only via online checkers.

3:05 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I also think that the PR we are seeing today is more recent than Bourbon.

My main site dropped from SERP 6 to 25 with Bourbon whilst the toolbar PR had gone from 5 to 0 a couple of weeks before.

Now the PR is at 4 I would expect my SERP to be back in the top ten for the next update.

3:05 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One of my sites went from PR4 - PR5,
I just checked again and its back down to 4?
4:21 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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splendid! my basic domain holding pages are now all PR 4-6
guess i'd better replace the plesk text with something that'll make me a few quid ............
5:14 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing internal pages with PR 1 higher than the home page. Seems strange.
5:34 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have two sites that went online recently:

custom designed site online for 22 days = PR4

redesigned site online for 38 days = PR 3

Looks like the sandbox is over?

5:40 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



Just had a 800 redesign done for the better. But old hompage (PR 4) down to a PR1 - after the redesign!

Ouch. My other quality pages have no PageRank at all.

This stinks.

5:41 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have PR improvements on my sites as well. But what everyone seems to forget is that simply having a high PR is no good if the traffic isn't there. Personally I'd rather have a PR3 and high traffic, than a PR6 and very little traffic.
5:46 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>Just had a 800 redesign done for the better. But old hompage (PR 4) down to a PR1 - after the redesign!

Was the redesign just aesthetic, or did it change internal link structure of your site? If the latter, it may take Google time to readjust.

5:52 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The big question though is when do you think the SERP's will be updated. That normally happens after a PR update if I'm not mistaken. Thoughts?
6:08 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



rfgdxm1

Both, I think.... But I'm not sure what you mean by 'internal link structure'.

I am a bit worried now...

6:22 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Little bit confused. hope someone can get rid of my confusion. My site PR increased with this update but at the same time i lost 900+ backward links 15 days back. So the PR showing now might be based on the earlier Backward links not the latest one. So i might see a PR downfall in the next PR update. Google considers backward links approx how many days/months before? Also how long it takes for the inner pages to get the updated PR?
6:32 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Site that was PR0 for over 4 months just jumped to 3.
6:33 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>Both, I think.... But I'm not sure what you mean by 'internal link structure'.

>I am a bit worried now...

The internal link structure will determine how PR flows through a site. Changing this can alter PR, particularly if specific pages. If I have a site where there are lots of links from other sites to internal pages, if I link all those internal pages to the home page direct, this will mean high PR for the home page. If I alter link structure, the home page may go down in PR.

6:36 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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MrRoy -

Are you certain the 900 are all different links? Could they be different post urls on a blog that have expired or pages from your own site url that you removed or something else?

Supposing what you say about the links is accurate, I would say there is a possibility of the next update bringing you back to where you were before yesterday.

As Kufu said -

"everyone seems to forget is that simply having a high PR is no good if the traffic isn't there. Personally I'd rather have a PR3 and high traffic, than a PR6 and very little traffic."

There is no way to accurately determine how many days /months before.

This update (by the way what are we calling it, I liked what RB said) there are a lot or internal pages that are only a few days old that already have PR. Same is true for some brand new domain names.

I would say if your inner pages do not have PR now then they will not until next update, but give it a few days to make sure (Google Guess)!

6:40 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oxford -

Appears to me that the SERPs were updated a few days ago between the 10th and 13th of July.

There should be minor fluctuations in SERPs like usual a couple times a month until the next large update.

This update (calling it what?) took from end of June until now and still appears to be updating.

7:07 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am not that intrested on the PR score of my website.

Much more interested in that a site which I monitor now has the same PR on the non-www and the www.

Also, In my experience often after a PR update Googlebot goes into overtime.

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