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However, if junk peddlers successfully target a term, look out. I suppose for every one entity that manages to get thirty redirect sites or fifteen mirror sites in the top 100 that there might be a thousand entities that failed, but still it pretty disappointing to see the ones that succeed to be succeeding so voluminously.
Still, cull out all the plainly lame results from -in and its an improvement over the anchor text algo. Of course, an algorithm is already supposed to have done the culling out....
My site traffic has almost doubled over the last 2 weeks! ...and now it's droping back down again slowly ;(
RC
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If you all were going to screw over every little site on the Internet, the least Google could have done is wait until after Christmas. This way we would at least have some money to keep our children clothed until Microsoft, Gigabot, or Yahoo put you all out of business. Florida's timing is unforgiveable, no matter what the intentions.
Getting frustrated it is not moving accross yet :(... worked into the small hours every night for the last two weeks and it is good to see all that data sitting on www-in waiting to be added.
We have never had a major spam issue for those keywords as others posting here say they have, so my search may not be of much help. However immediately after florida, the same keywords were showing 95% directories and now it is a nice mix of products, directories, and informational sites related to the keywords on -in and the others mentioned above.
Better for the user.
LisaB
You ask for input but it is a 2-way street. A week after Florida I sent (on your request) some specific examples by email. How about a return email. 'Thank you for your response, we/I have reviewed your examples but believe the results are relevant for the following reasons' .... or
'Thank you for your response, we/I have reviewed your examples and agree with you. They have appeared for these reasons ... but we will be working on a method to remove them in the future'
Instead I get nothing and the 'bad' examples just get worst.
Google doesn't 'owe' me anything, as a web developer, but if you want my help some sort of specific response would be nice. Otherwise, I give up trying to help.
Since specific examples didn't help in my email and specific examples are not allowed here, I'll give a general summary.
-in in my area is worst than immediate post-florida
Of the top ranking for several keywords, it has (approximately)
40% pages that are www.MyISP.com/username/...., (if the guy can not afford a real site I'm sure not going to do business with him, even if it is relevant)
20% no relevance (keywords blue widgets sales, returns red widget sales or blue car sales)
20% minor relevance, (keyword blue widget, returns a site that that has no real selection but only carries 1 inch round plastic blue widgets)
20% relevant site but not best page. User has to work their way through the site to get the 'best' page. (key blue widget, returns 1 inch round plastic blue widgets page but at least the site has more to find)
Of the 10 best sites in the field (excluding mine), only 1 sites appears in the top 20 and the page returned is not even close in returning the best page but can be reached in a few clicks.
Yes, my site reappeared on page 8 this week and I was relieved because from number one pre-florida to dropped completely during florida, to page 8... i felt like i had something to work with.
But forgetting my site for a moment, I have been using Google for my web searches, commercial and non, and I see so many spam sites at number one with on page hidden text and keyword stuffing in comment tags etc that I think that whatever Google is doing, they are not tackling spammers, just small businesses.
Why is Google such a big player again?
So I can give up making web sites and trying to promote them until there is a tried and trusted method apart from adwords.
Just use the old algo..it was better than what is on -in now. My main site been #1 since 1999 or something has just been blasted into 50th position.
I would not use the results -in. The other authorities in my sector have been blasted into zululand. These are the people who work hard to be on the first page of results.
I would be willing to bet A Lot of money on
"Geographical Adword Targeting". A new option in Adwords.
Makes perfect sense if you think of Google like I do.
They are a Media Company, no different than Fox or ABC
Its all about the Advertising Revenue.
Shame no one is going to use it apart from a few fed up people here
I agree and Alta Vista refreshes in 48 hours or less
Come on G stop this muckin' around and admit that there are only a few ways to determine the results and the way you are doing it now is about as good as a fart in wind.
Need to say more on what I think about IN? :)
However, some of those Altavista results include sites with doorways, hidden links, link farms as well as some irrelevant content.
In the case of AllTheWeb, I stopped giving it importance long, long time ago.
I have faith we'll see improvements soon at www-in.google.com .
You are losing my searches very soon if things don't change - it doesn;t even need that much of a change to be honest - a little tweak here and there would sort it!
"Shame no one is going to use it apart from a few fed up people here."
Few fed up people (maybe more than just a few) are looking at the near term traffic.
Fed up people know Altavista is an option Yahoo! has to replace Google.
I'll like to see the search engine market divided 1/3 Google, 1/3 Yahoo! and 1/3 MSN.
Wise people will like to see the search engine market divided 1/3 Google, 1/3 Yahoo! and 1/3 MSN
Now THAT'S the most helpful and insightful comment I've seen in this thread in awhile!
What's all the fuss about -in anyway? I've been unable to determine from this thread if -in is the "new defacto" DC or not. Is that what all the fuss is about? Does somebody actually have definitive information that -in is going to www- soon (or already has for certain phrases)?
