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I did make some changes regarding title and keyword density though. Perhaps that moved us up a bit farther than others.
we have jumped from position 109 to our old position of 3 for a top keyphrase with over a million searches
Looking good, as my competitors have vanished, oh well i always said that if you do everything right and not use spam tactics you will list high in google.
Bek.
Bek.
a mixture here of static and dynamic.
For those coming back, how many de-optimized the index page, ie reduced the keyword denisty, etc.?
Bek.
at least it's a start, not great but better.
Though my website was not re-stored to its original position (#1-5 on several key keywords), it has been returned from the abyss with no de-optimization.
But then again, the only optimization I ever did was
- keywords seasoning the content (w/in reason)
- title/description keywords etc
- things like alt tags
I sell an industrial product and adwords is huge in my business right now...mostly $1 - $3 per click. Since florida, I've noticed a ton of .org sites, association and government sites appearing on page one which was previously held by commercial sites, including mine.
Our main competitor, whose site is optimized perfectly and chuck full of page content, is still #1, and then the next 9 results are useless sites mentioned above. I'm curious if google trying to show a broader range of sites whenever possible, instead of the usual pre-florida commercial sites.
This is my only explanation for why eopinions and .org reference sites keep appearing for my industrial search terms.
Are any others commercial sites seeing similar?
Noogle seems to favor
1. Sites that are now deemed as authorities within their field/geographic location
2. Large directories (often end up as authorities)
3. .edu, .org, .pdf., /exec/obidos/*
4. Broad Matches
Noogle seems to downgrade the value of
1. Smaller commercial interests
2. Niche directories
3. Exact matches
4. Locally owned businesses
Now we just have to break down these generalizations into their smaller parts and see why the above seems to hold.
It seems sites that have "keyword phrase" in the domain are not budging too much. However, sites that have different domain than keyword are back on the first page. This is only in my industry.
My client's site, with a domain along the lines of "MyCityKeyword.com" has had its position restored to page 1. However, her biggest competitor, with a domain of "My-City-Keyword.com" is still nowhere to be seen... << She's lov'n it, btw! >>
It seems sites that have "keyword phrase" in the domain are not budging too much. However, sites that have different domain than keyword are back on the first page. This is only in my industry.
Cool observation, bzprod.
Would that be a way to combat doorway pages/sites? I often see url's in the serps with a title "popular search term", and a url something like "www.popular-search-term.biz/r*n*t*nes.htm"... you click on it by mistake and suddenly you're on your way to some back-alley, fly-by-night outfit, that doesn't have "popular search term" anywhere, and you see the pop-up killer flashing before you manage to click out of it... if of course they don't try to send you around in an infinite loop when you hit the back button.
I might be wrong on that... I haven't really gotten a grip on understanding the whole doorway thing yet. I just stuff everything into one directory, on one domain.
<edit>misattributed the quote</edit>
<edit again>I think I was totally confused in the above... if a mod cruises by, feel free to remove this useless post.</edit again>
[edited by: Stefan at 3:18 am (utc) on Dec. 8, 2003]
We did some minor keyword text reduction about 10 days ago.
I slightly dropped KW density on the 2 sites of mine that dumped, the non real estate site is now back at 12, down from 2, but up from gone totlaly... the real estate site is nowhere to be seen.
There are however, 27 pages in the top 100 that are link pages, linking to my site....
I did lessen the amount of keyword use I had, though hard to do when my site is called aboutwidgets.com and is about widgets and thats it lol
Glad to see things getting better, hope to be back on page 1 some day again soon! Have seen a huge drop in visitors these last few weeks since I wasn't showing up for my main two keywords anymore!
Good luck everyone, especially those of you who need your site for income!
-marie
Filters seem to have layed off the "anchor text theory" a bit... Lets see what happens!
I made no changes to my site since Florida started. However, one new site did link to me. And they messed up the link text. The link text should have been Company Name Keyword1 Keyword2. They abbreviated Keyword2 to the point where it is meaningless to a Spider - stemming couldn't even interpret it as being related to Keyword2.
I have 2 subdomains that were top 5 ranked pre-Florida, and they have come back into the top 100. The subdomains use the format of keyword1-keyword2.mydomain.com . If you do a search for keyword1 keyword2 -slkdf on either of these keywords, the target subdomains show up at #1 and #2 respectively.
A number of other keywords I checked for have improved from the Flordai ranking down in the hundreds, but still are not back to their pre-Florida top 5 positions. My pages are static, and have the target keyword in the url hyphenated. My domain name has no keywords in it.
One of my pages that has ranked number 1 for the last year or more and stayed there through the Florida storm competes with 8M other sites. It is classic hub page - 50 or 60 links in a table with only 1 or 2 sentences of text on the page. A new link gets added to this page every month or two as I add an new article to my site. Although google returns a lot of results for this SERP, it isn't that competitive from other webmasters as not as much money can be made form it.
[edited by: Iluvlabs at 5:27 am (utc) on Dec. 8, 2003]
our site is keyword1keyword2.com and we are now back at #3 for keyword1 keyword2
Thanks for this insight. My site in question is "keyword1-keyword2.us" This is only obvious since this is also the name of my company, the name on my business cards, and the name on the plaza sign where my offices are. I still don't think that Google is treating keyword domains different, but out of 5 sites that I monitor in this industry, two are back on 1st page and have no keyword in domain. The other 3 are still kinda far down and all have keyword in the domain.
When I do "keyword1 keyword2 -dfsdfjkl" I come up number 2 and 3, and the other 3 sites are also top 7. Hmmm...time will tell. Good luck to all who are anxiously waiting to make it to the top again. It has been a hell of a ride and lots of lessons have been learned.
By the way, I reported the spam of the black hat site to google and apparently that does no good.
Most are restored and very close to original position WITHOUT any de-optimization.
Some newer ones less than 6 months old do not appear to return at this moment although there are more backlinks and higher PR showing up.
It looks as though Google return link credit partially for the time being - just an observation.
