Sites are Coming back.

[markus007]

Check www2 missing sites are back again!

[Jazzy]

This direction will be good for us all in the long run.
The results for anything that sells on google are obviously alot worse. At the same time adwords is booming and has the relavancy over there.
Other searchengines will catch up and take advantage of this. I was one of the first google users period, now have new home-page as do most of my relatives, friends, ect. Webmasters buy more on the web than anybody. I spent more than most families live on last year via google.
I am wise with money and will survive just the same. I do vow to use ANYTHING except Google to advertise next year. So I help a competitor grow and make 1 less banana for that 900lb. gorrila.
You'll see, it takes time. Google is totally the opposite of that lil engine with better results and no ads I showed to people years ago. Inevetable?
Mabey this was needed, anyways it will be interesting to watch.

[pmac]

Googleguy said:

>pmac/tictoc, if the results at www-in.google.com are significantly different <

Thanks GG but I don't have a desk at the plex and last time I checked I wasn't getting my lunches prepared by that hippy chef of yours I'll have to pass. :-)

I don't think you need me to see that the results are "funky"

[percentages]

www-in still has the Florida problem with cross-linked sub-domains.

I see several sites that target numerous cities in the US. They do this with a city.mydomain.com structure. They then cross link all sub-domains.

When you try a search for "City widgets" you end up with numerous of these sub-domains appearing in the SERRPs in the form

city.mydomain.com
city1.mydomain.com
city2.mydomain.com
city3.mydomain.com
....
city16.mydomain.com....blah, blah, blah.

The only on page text for other sub-domains is the cross-link to the correct city and the word for "widgets".

I don't object to one of these sub-domains showing, but dozens of them for obviously incorrect locations seems to be a major downfall of this Google algo and a quick way to send the searcher to another SE.

[jack1960xx]

re -in

**********

some detailed notes of a CLOSE review of some terms i follow, in case anyone is looking for patterns:

1) on a search for "widget for sale" .... FOUR links in the top 20 went to various pages at about.com ... at least they were talking about widgits ... but they do not offer any widgets "for sale" there, so the relevance and value of 4 spots is highly lacking - one to a domain in the top 20 ought to be enough i would think particularly when it is not even that relevant to the search .... ONE link to a site with enough font size="-1" in nearly the background color at the bottom of a page a mile --- certainly qualifies as blatent SPAM ... TWO links to expired news-stories at 2 differnet big newspaper sites where the url's did not even work, TWO links to the same commercial site which had a a recriprocal links list page prominently posted that was so long i gave up waiting for it and i use a super fast cable connection ... finally ONE alleged "widget news site" ... which looked right out of a highschool kids microsoft PUBLISHER homework project ....the crem de la crem is that the #1 site listed there is a WEB DEVELOPMENT/HOSTING site, it made use of ALL the most agressive optimization techniques speculated to be possible issues (like agressive use of ancor text links) ... and they boast a search engine list of 7,000 ... i checked some of those sites and a good number have links back to this site ... but they keep the links there in a database you have to search so the google bot can't count them see how many are recriprocal even if they wanted to ... that is a nice touch .... the site was relevant so i wont count it as a total failure ... but it slams the door on trying to say that agressive but clean optimization techniques have anything to do with what is going on here ...

so if my math is right ... if this was a gradeschool spelling test that would score say 60 at best ... BEFORE doing any subjective analysis of the sites shown there compared to the sites not shown ... just the objective stuff ....

60 will not win any spelling bees, google guy(s)?

As for what is NOT THERE .... 9 of the TOP 10 sites, sorted by google page rank from the google/dmoz directory for that term are NOT there .... only one made the top 10 -in, it was shown as #9 in page rank there .... and these are ALL NICE SITES ... also CLEAN SITES ... and yes ours is one of those .... but the other 8 missing are as clean as ours is ..... the #1 site at -in is NOT in the google/dmoz directory and i do not have the google tool bar so i do not know its page rank ...

so who was it that said page rank was king? maybe google needs to let the searchers know what is king now ... it surely is NOT page rank ....

also, where is the basis for all of this "optimization" explination .... link list there .... blatent spam in small text at the bottom of the page there .... link farms galor ... stuff easy for google to sniff out ... what does this tell us?

the most curious part is the same 4 popular sites that were on the front page before florida ... still there after florida ... are STILL THERE -in .... how could that be explained except for google keeping something some high ranking listings there to be sure there was something relevant ...?

[Goanna1]

I am seeing improved results for mytown real estate.

>>www-in still has the Florida problem with cross-linked sub-domains.

Yes. I am seeing the same. People who set up multiple subdomains with keywords for ranking are doing well.

[jack1960xx]

re percentages
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i see the same problem you describe with the sub-domain, or virtual domains in the terms i search also for one of our categories that involves location ... one term had about 4 to it in the top 20 ....

[affiliateguy]

I am seeing a mess at www-in as well for one of my search term. The funny thing is that 10 links of the top 20 are my pages or links that on pages that point to my site.

This looks "very spammy" but it is "not my doing" and I am not going to send in a report just to have my pages knocked out, the serps just plain suck... even if they are in my favor, sort of?

Google is now ranking some of my pages for terms that I never intended and not ranking me for what I was after... go figure? I am sure people are thinking that I made some sort of doorway network when that for sure was not the case.

[Powdork]

What -dc is Yahoo! using? I noticed even though my site has come back on all datacenters except -in, it never came back on Yahoo. This is especially bad since on Yahoo I would have been up to 8 given no indented listings. It could be -mc but I am getting no response from there. It isn't -in.

[c1bernaught]

RE: -in

Yes... subdomains are dominating certain serps. When I say dominating I mean the first 20 pages of serps....

I have sent a spam report in using -filey-

Also, the large comparison shopping and huge dynamic content sites are still taking spots that more focused sites should be in...

I have sent in a spam report using -filey-

[przero2]

www-in still has the Florida problem with cross-linked sub-domains.
I see several sites that target numerous cities in the US. They do this with a city.mydomain.com structure. They then cross link all sub-domains.

When you try a search for "City widgets" you end up with numerous of these sub-domains appearing in the SERRPs in the form

city.mydomain.com
city1.mydomain.com
city2.mydomain.com
city3.mydomain.com
....
city16.mydomain.com....blah, blah, blah.

The only on page text for other sub-domains is the cross-link to the correct city and the word for "widgets".

I don't object to one of these sub-domains showing, but dozens of them for obviously incorrect locations seems to be a major downfall of this Google algo and a quick way to send the searcher to another SE.

I see one site (or its city.domain.com or widget-brand.domain.com) occupying all the first 10+ pages and beyond.. All the 100 clicks lead to the same site or its sub-domain with no other alternative to the searcher. Most ridiculous SERPs to imagine IMO

[super_seo]

Good spot Powerdork, what datacenter have they switched to it mildly better than -in. I'm not making comments regarding my sites although in my opinion my sites ate the top in there industry and have been smoked in -in. Standard Google guideline SEO as well and chocker blocked with content and good products.

Anyway in testing several searches i too have found excessive spamming in sub.domains and sites are coming up that are not specific to the term but are actually too specific for example a search for blue widgets gets you sites like grannys apple pie stuffed with creamy white widgets. Any way the -in is as bad if not worse than the original filter that got such bad PR.

All im really seeing here anyway is Google trying to reach a happy medium with,
yes all commercial results have been filtered, but we will allow most of you to exist on bread and water, because at least then you may have hope and not ring the bad PR bell to loundly.

[caveman]

Hey GG, this is a sort of generic problem we've been seeing all over the SERP's since Florida:

A search for "widget consultants" has quite a different meaning than "widgets for consultants" ... but -in, and all the other dc's, this fine point is being missed. ;-)

Widget consultants are pretty much gone from the SERP's even though clearly someone searching on that phrase might be looking for consultants that advise on widgets (I think widget consultants must make money somehow, probably as consultants).

The good news is, there are lots of great ideas in case I want to buy some widgets as presents for gizmo consultants. Ah well, better to give than to receive.

[clearvision]

Let's get a clear picture of what we are all trying to accomplish.

What we care about: Higher SE rankings( not to mention profits)

What Google (should) care about: providing quality search results that take visitors directly to the right resource.

Google Guy Question: Is there any plans in the works to make the needed adjustments to this obviously erroneous index so we can get this show back on the right road.

I am not pro or con Google... I am for all search engines and want to be at the top of every single one!

[GoogleGuy]

Hey, I've been looking over the filey feedback. Most of the comments are about results in both normal data centers and www-in. Please use filey only to refer to results that are different between www-in.google.com and other data centers when giving feedback. The keyword floridaupdate is good for all other feedback..

[AthlonInside]

PowDork,

Yahoo! use any datacenter randomly, just like a search done on www.google.com.

Do you notice that the 'powered by Google' icon has disappered long time ago? It disappeared at that time where they have a new layout and when the open in new window icon appears.

Yahoo claimed to take the results from google and 'improved' (LOL) over it so it is not Google results anymore. So they don't need to put the icon 'powered by google'. :)

[Powdork]

On the bottom of Yahoo search pages
"Search Technology provided by Google"
I e-mailed them and asked them to change it to "Results Manipulated by Google", but after filling out the form it sent me to a 404 page. Anyway I am getting the same results consistently and it doesn't match any of the Google datacenters I see. Its almost all the same sites, but in an order I can't find on any of the current datacenters. Of course, it could be a combination of
1. Yahoo's lack of indented results:) while Google is now showing many:(.
2. -in datacenter
3. One of the sites ahead of mine on -in, but on no other datacenters could be one tripping the more sophisticated Yahoo duplicate content filter. I do know this site by more than one name.

[percentages]

Powdork, try using Yahoo's advanced search and setting the results per page to 100....same as a Google DC now?

If so, it is Y!'s filter that you are seeing manipulate the results :)

[clearvision]

Can you list all the data centers for quick reference, would like to keep up with the Jones's? Sorry if this has been asked in another post :)

[Powdork]

Now it has switched back, both on 100 result per page and the default twenty. i am at #10. It must have been pointing at -in for a while for me and the site I see on -in that makes me recognize -in must have been a Yahoo filtered one. Although the top two sites were in reverse order from -in.

[Powdork]

-ex
-va
-dc
-ab
-cw
-fi
-gv
-kr
-lm
-mc (currently down)
-in (currently shows sites that aren't mine):(
did I miss any?

[cabbie]

I can't see much diference in -in than the other DC's for Adult.
Even though my spammy sites and 1 of my nests have gone I really think the results can't be argued with.
A couple of spammy sites on every serp page and still one or 2 odd mainstream results but alot better than pre-Florida or even post-Florida.
Objectively its better in my eyes.

[percentages]

>did I miss any?

Only -SJ ;)

[Powdork]

We all miss -sj, those were the good ol' days;)

[clearvision]

Powdork

Thank you very much... I need to get busy!

[Powdork]

No, its a different data center. It only goes away when I switch it to 100 results.

[SlyOldDog]

Now seeing -IN results on google.com here

What a disaster!

<edited to make big and red because I am upset>

[edited by: SlyOldDog at 8:34 am (utc) on Dec. 10, 2003]

[I_am_back]

They look fine from here.

[clearvision]

Is there a flow as to when each data center will go live on google.com or is that the mystery?

I am liking the -ex & -va so far...

[Dayo_UK]

Yep, excellent www-in has lots of fresh data coming in from the big crawl on Sunday night on lots of my sites.
:)

Due to the freshness of the data imo you really have to say that www-in is the way forward.

[SlyOldDog]

If I ping www2.google.com, www3.google.com or www-in.google.com they all have the same IP.

What's that all about?