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11:43 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Check www2 missing sites are back again!
9:57 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm #19 on www2 and www3, but only have position #31 on the main www.google.com. Does that mean that I will soon be #19 on www.google.com?
10:02 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)



Does that mean that I will soon be #19 on www.google.com?

Only Google *knows*.

10:09 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But are www2 and www3 feeding their results to the main www.google.com?
10:24 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)



But are www2 and www3 feeding their results to the main www.google.com?

Obviously not if you are getting different results.

10:24 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just had a look at the results on -in and, if it's possible, they are far worse than Florida for our two main regional terms.

I hope we are not entering a new phase of ridiculous results. Don't the engineers at Google have something better to do than to give us all ulcers just before Christmas. Have they never seen the "Grinch" movie.

10:25 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What IS going on?
10:34 am on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)



I believe Google is FAR from finsished with its shake-up. Some will loose and some will win, some will cry some will cheer. As normal though it will be the vocal minority that makes the most noise, hopefully the squeaky wheel will not get the most oil.
12:32 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps to give the re-lost sites some hope... remember that -in has been offline for several days, maybe more than a week. Also I notice many of the super-trash pages (link pages like links-182.html) that were removed after they first appeared a couple weeks ago are now back. So... the root of this data likely is old, so hopefully the re-lost sites will be re-re-added when the next fresh data comes in again and also hopefully these super-trashy links pages will be removed again.

Essentially, deja vu all over again, meaning this -in datacenter has to catch up with the others in terms of re-adding sites, while the other datacenters may have to catch up with it in terms of the algorithm.

1:00 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yep, it looks like they are cranking it back the other way on the filter nob. Counter clockwise google! counter clockwise!

this is a REAL bad trend as it may show they are unphased by the bad PR.

1:13 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Go MS Longhorn 2005! Two more years of pain before longhorn... =)

jd

1:16 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Two more years of pain before longhorn.

And three more years of BIG pain of running around and updating and cranking, just to get it right.

1:23 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Over the years many insensitive companies have announced
layoffs, staff reductions and Reduction In Force near the Christmas Holiday season.
2:38 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)



What's Longhorn got to do with it? It's an operating system.

Regards

Ignoramous

2:55 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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During Florida my site was lost. It is now back to number 3 position. I have done very little to change it (except continue to add new content). All I can think of is that adding new content on a daily basis has helped me. I am just glad that I am getting business again!
3:10 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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steveb,

You make a very good point regarding the data on -in. I sure hope you are right. Right now, it looks pretty discouraging but will hopefully recover.

3:23 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>it looks like they are cranking it back the other way on the filter nob

Here comes the other shoe & it's a steel-toed boot to the teeth from where I'm sitting.

3:25 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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im feeling it on the back of me throat
4:00 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When was the last time we heard from Mr. GoogleGuy?

[edited by: Marcia at 2:59 am (utc) on Dec. 10, 2003]

4:39 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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well..

-in is back with completely different results. The quality of the SERPs seems much better in -in

4:39 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-in is not showing something slightly different, it is something dramatically different.

I see the same results from -in on several of the datacenters and -in is actually one of the datacenters showing better results for our keywords (not just my site). We have been jumping between #7 and #37 for our most common keyword phrase between each of them.

Also, for our most commonly used keywords, spam has never been a major issue. Most of the sites there are very clean. The most commonly used "cheat" I guess would be websites using second k2k3k4.com domain that redirects to a branded domain. None of these sites are back.

4:57 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>The most commonly used "cheat" I guess would be websites using second k2k3k4.com domain that redirects to a branded domain. None of these sites are back.

I see plenty on -in & elsewhere. Repeated anchor for days. They haven't budged throughout this whole fiasco. That's why I knew the anchor text filter theory was bogus.

5:06 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Here comes the other shoe & it's a steel-toed boot to the teeth from where I'm sitting.

I've been suffering from Other Shoe Syndrome for several weeks now. I mentioned it in a Marcia thread I think.

Status update: Full Blown Outbreak now occuring in Real Time. Anyone know of a cure for this type of SE induced malody?

5:14 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Results on -in are slightly different for some of my keywords, but no better quality. What makes me mad is the number of blatant spammers who seem to be prospering post-Florida. I'm happy to be beaten in SERPs by a site which is more relevant or provides better quality content or more useful info. But when a top-five SERPs site has no information whatsoever on the keyword it's ranking for, other than a headline or circular link which exists purely as an optimising trick, my heart sinks. In some cases, it's clear even from the description displayed on the results page that the site is spamming for that keyword :-(

Also, can anyone provide an explanation as to why it's useful to searchers to have a couple of sponsored results, plus Adwords, plus Froogle results, and a results list full of 'price comparison' sites and Amazon/Yahoo stores on one page? It's the Web quivalent of opening a magazine and having multiple inserts and subscription cards fall on the floor in front of you. We all accept that Google has to maximize the revenue it generates from its SE results, but destroying the editorial product is not the way to do it.

5:32 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The big problem is still serps being returned because of link content. A search for a S. Florida "city real estate" is still returning link directories with links to S. Florida "city real estate" sites.
5:40 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The sites I got back last week have disappeared again on the -in server. I can't take this anymore. I am going back to building computers, at least you get a nice bit of extra wedge at Christmas. I am one depressed webmaster!
6:20 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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At the current time -in and -ae seem to be the odd ones out. All other centers are showing largely the same results. IMO.
6:37 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think the dust has not settled yet. There is much more deep crawl data to come which will influence the SERPS. As I indicated earlier in this thead, what you are seeing is newer deepcrawl data being brought into the mix of older outdated data for certain Froogle keywords. When they brought Froogle online it was in beta, so did not have the most current SERP data. Now that it is synched up with all of the other data centers, it will be updated as well. Does this not make sense?
6:39 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-ae

You mean -ab?

6:47 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-ae is a result added when using a particular tool.
7:01 pm on Dec 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing sites returning to the serps; however, still directory sites are listed first then normal relevent top sites are appearing afterward. The way the serps look remind me actually of old Yahoo, which was to show its directory listings then pages.
I hope Google doesn't decide to remain the search engine for directories.
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