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They're at it again with the -sj server

different serps and backlinks

     
1:13 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Looks like they are testing the www-sj.google.com server again. I see 384k backlinks for yahoo and the serps are different.

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Agreed 95% - however if you are following the Google guidelines you dont expect to be beaten by sites that are not following the guidelines.

To tell the truth - in general I only look at my own position in the SERPS and try to improve rather than looking at how other sites have got their with dubious tatics.

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Why has one of my listings

a. dropped 10 places
b. a subpage attached to the original listing has gone

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>>the current Google algorithm can't be too bad when you consider Google's dominance of the industry

I agree with you that Google has the best algorithm, and also that spam is not as much of a problem as many make out.

From what I've read spam only seems to get mentioned from a webmaster point of view and very rarely from a visitor perspective. You never hear 'I was searching for widget' but the results were no good'. You hear 'I want to do well for the term 'widget' and I'm being beaten by spam so the results must be rubbish'. I'm not criticising Google serps, i'm criticising webmasters ;)

However I think that without some significant algo improvements, spam is more and more of a threat to this situation. And major algo changes = drastic changes in rankings = threads like this one full of complaints about people's sites not ranking as well, disguised as spam reports ;)

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Pixel, I agree that people are always complaining on here regarding the results. I don't want to complain about MY rankings, but I am just amazed to the point where I don't think the www-sj results could be a precurser of what is to come. If you search for blue widget and the top 10 sites are selling blue widgets, that is great. But not necessarily if they are all from one company, at the same price, with duplicate content. Variety should be mean something.

I can accept defeat - (but for only one month), after that my clean tactics will change and that is a move on the wrong direction.

I have other quality competition that has dropped as well. I would rather lose out to them. But maybe all of the top people in our industry have been trying to avoid the "dark side" for too long.

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>But maybe all of the top people in our industry have been trying to avoid the "dark side" for too long.

From what I can gather, all the top people in our industry ARE the dark side. ;)

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Search Engine Optimizer's = Prefessional spamming agents.

(So im told by a client - that was his experience's anyway)

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I am somewhat confused. My updated website of about 50 pages was deep crawled by Inktomi, Fast and Googlebot. While MSN and AllTheWeb have indexed almost all my important pages (~40) and are overwhelming my competitors on almost all keywords, www-sj is showing only my index page. I am in decent positions on many of the keywords and missing completely on certain. Hard to understand it because the Google spider crawled my website the most - for continuosly for 3 days! (Am not worried though, site is non-commercial and I purposely left out the page optimizations.)

I think links are valued much more than Google than Inktomi and Fast. Time to grab some incoming links.

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if this is the update the gates of spam will open and the index will be worthless..folks will just load up on expireds and that's that
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Why are you considering the SJ search results to be the new index?!

It's been known for 5 years plus that incoming links are important to google....

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CREEP they have been doing that for the last two monthS anyway in one area.

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2:32 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That is a pretty interesting server. I did an allinurl: check on 2 of the domains I work on. The one included just 13 pages, regular server it has 105. However these are all pages that were updated.

Then we go and check another domain. Regular server it has 9 in the index. This server has 11. (I added a few pages and did a major layout change).

So it seems to me like these are pages that are just ready to be dropped into the regular index, that have been changed/added from the last update.

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I just had a look and you maybe right because I have 6 extra listings from joeant in the sj server that are not on the other.
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>From what I've read spam only seems to get mentioned from a webmaster point of view and very rarely from a visitor perspective.

That's what this place is all about, no!? Not very much hobbiest, joe and jane's here, afaik. Complaining about others who complain doesn't make it better. And i wouldn't suggest others to see spam as the "better seo". That's simply untrue.

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So it seems to me like these are pages that are just ready to be dropped into the regular index, that have been changed/added from the last update.

So, you're saying that you think the SJ results are going to be consolidated into the current index, and then maybe there won't be a google dance, just a recalculation of PR?

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I don't think that's it...I have over 3,000 pages that have changed and not one of them are in sj.

In fact, sj looks like a little freshbot, and 2 month old deepbot results.

You know, folks. It may just be that the sj data center is having some sort of problems with storage or the like.

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>>So, you're saying that you think the SJ results are going to be consolidated into the current index, and then maybe there won't be a google dance, just a recalculation of PR?

I am not sure. It just looks like these are all the new pages/files that have changed/added and have been crawled and identified by google. I have no idea what they plan to do with them. I would imagine they would go into the index. Not sure if it will be on the fly(which has been discussed a lot around here) or if there will be a dance.

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Perhaps but still the fact remains that it has pages there that are not in the actual index plus a bunch of my files which would of had to of have googlebot deep crawling mid month.

Incidently I just checked my logs and GoogleBot came and took my entire site on the 29th of last month from both 64. and 216. or whatever it is IP's.

Seems like something very odd os happening, perhaps as critter said they could be freshbot results.

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In addition to what Critter said even the directory-sj [directory-sj.google.com] is an old ODP-dump.
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Yup!

The SJ results are the new algo!

Please everybody optimize your sites for the the SJ algo now!

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I'll give it a miss thank you.
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I agree with Critter because none of our deepcrawled pages are in SJ - only the freshbotted ones + the old index (maybe one or two months, I'm not 100% sure, Critter thinks 2 months).

SJ looks to me like the index of about 10 days ago.

I think they stuck it on there to play with it and compare results with current index to check algorithm improvements.

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My site dropped from #1 to #36

I hope this is just a little experiment for Google that went terribly wrong

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>>That's what this place is all about, no!? Not very much hobbiest, joe and jane's here, afaik.

I don't think you really understood what I was talking about. I just think that complaining about the quality of the serps is for joe searcher not joe webmaster. I get irritated when webmaster criticise the serps purely because their own site isn't doing very well.

>>Complaining about others who complain doesn't make it better

If you read my post I wasn't doing any complaining. I was hoping to cut short the number of posts that are just spam reports.

>>And i wouldn't suggest others to see spam as the "better seo". That's simply untrue.

I don't recall advising anyone to do this. I advised 'out-SEO ing' competitors who are beating you. How people do this is entirely up to them. My preference is for clean pages.

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Let's assume that the SERPS on sj *are* old or mixed-up results (which they most definately seem to be). I doubt that these results would be released in any way to the public--especially showing up on www--unless there was some sort of unforseen problem.

Don't worry about it :)

Everything will be fine :)

(MrGuy: very funny) :P~

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Critter,

I agree that they are old/new/mixed up results. I did, however, see the sj results on google.com briefly today.

I thought this was very odd.

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That's exactly my point...if they showed up on www.google.com then there must be some problem sj's having. Now why sj hasn't been taken out of the balance I don't know.

It's my opinion (which is always right...heh) that these are not in any way the update results and that G's having problems in San Jose.

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_If_ the SJ index is anything close to what the update will look like I fear that a lot of us may resort to spamming.
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If you need to do that then you are in serious trouble.
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The new update can't be *anything like* what sj has right now.

In April I got over 9,000 pages crawled--not *one* of which is in sj. My site is completely spam- and nasty-free.

It'll be fine.

Peter

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ncsuk

not if the SJ index is a look at things to come.

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