They're at it again with the -sj server

different serps and backlinks

[waynet]

Looks like they are testing the www-sj.google.com server again. I see 384k backlinks for yahoo and the serps are different.

[needinfo]

GG
You know after your first comment about asking around to find out what is happening with the sj results i was sure this was NOT the update. Now after the latest comment "Well said, beachlover (the getting a beer and relaxing part). :)" I'm not so sure.
Tomorrow I'm gonna try to forget about all this and believe in what I'm seeing and that's some type of test going on on the sj server and I'm gonna keep telling myself that all day in the pub!

[jojojo]

I have been watching this fopr the last 13 hrs now - I am seeing some differences in sj today-- last night I was #13 and now I am #14 also some 1-2 position movements.

I work in the adult industry and I am seeing a TOOON of .info and .biz BS spam pages same as that thread a month ago about that guy spamming with .biz and .info domains.

Either Googleguy is at the bottom of food chain or this is not what the update will look like - but some of it will for sure.

[needinfo]

what would you prefer to know the answer to :

a) the meaning of life
or
b) are the sj results the update

....too easy!

[rfgdxm1]

ACK! I am repeatedly seeing these sucky sj SERPs on google.ca. This data center is indeed being used by more than just people here. I guess Google thinks Canadians deserve lousy search results.

[cheater copperpot]

i really really hope that these are not the updated results.. Ive gone from good rankings to terrible rankings.. I also see a bunch of older SPAM sites that are floating in the top 10. These were sites i thought were taken out of the index a few months back...

[MultiMen]

My homepage is newer in SJ, my linkto is older, and my contain is newer.

As for my position.... :( :( :(

[MultiMen]

I checked another site of mine. its not in the SJ database. I think it is an old one after all.

[g1smd]

Hmm, -sj has deepcrawl results from mid-april in it.

No-one has mentioned that some results pages have 2 or 3 links in very small print just above the main results; prefixed with News: and pointing to several topical news sites with a story on that subject. I haven't noticed this before (but may have missed it).

[bonanza]

I've got one site (A) that had thousands of pages crawled in March and added during the April update and a site (B) that was deep-crawled for the first time in April.

Site B is now in sj to the tune of several hundred pages. Site A only has one page, the homepage.

My results corroborate the theory that it's an older database with freshbot data.

[mrguy]

Well,

Google.com is now serving up SJ results.

Hope this isn;t a look at what's to come, if so I just wasted 3 months getting good links because they are all gone.

Your killing us here Google!

[mallu]

mrguy,

I dont think google.com is serving -sj results. Can you give any specific examples?

[mrguy]

That's funny,

I just looked again and now it is not!

I think some techs at the Googleplex got bored and decided to have a little fun!

[GoogleGuy]

Hey, I know some quite a few things about SJ but I'm not the world expert. I went looking for the best person on it, but I missed them. Just to be safe, I'm going to hold off until after I've talked to them, but it may be a while. Just wanted to let people know..

[g1smd]

Oh my. This thread will have filled the WW hard drive by then ;-)

[fathom]

I find this all completely fascinating!

Something so obscure can get "so much dialogue"! :)

[jojojo]

Hmmm, well I would say this is not the update if Googleguy is unsure of what is happening. My assumption was the he always knows when it is happening.

Here is a question. I exprected to be doing better this update for my kw's - based on more links and better onpage optimization.

I see in sj- that I have moved from 61 to 13 for example - if this is indeed old data + freshbot activity (my page title seems old) does this mean once the update happens I should look forward to better listings than what I see now in sj- or worse?

Also a new site I have been building - this is the second update it will see and it has a ton of backlinks and is showing up from nowhere to #10 in it's keywords - no big surprise but it sj - shows that it has zero backlinks :(

Also I see a lot of pr4+ backlinks showing from my other site - I KNOW I have backlinks from at least 10 pr5 sites that were definitely deepcrawled and yet they don't show up...

Also how do you check the PR that sj- is showing - what do I need to do where to make that happen - thanks.

viva la googla

[Jesse_Smith]

:::but it may be a while.

I think we can wait until Monday, then we will be ready for you to tell us that the dance will start next Thursday!

[EliteWeb]

I got a feeling the comments on SJ will go unanswered for fullfilling the rest of the comments just because i think a update will happen and he will slip away without discussing it more ;) but thats ok i got this thread tagged and im waiting, exicited whats the sj with all the details that are waiting to be fullfilled to the GG :D

[skipfactor]

my page title seems old

You have a point jojo. I was assuming SJ was an old index mixed with fresh activity. However, my title is neither the one from the old index nor my latest. If I didn't change the title so often I'd swear it was the one in place during the last deepcrawl.

This isn't as fun as the dance, but it is quite amusing!

[vnsampat]

Hi,
I was tinkering around with the results on -sj.

This is what has happened to my sites -
- 2 new sites with a few backlink have shown up on sj. They arnt showing up anywhere else and the bar is still grey.

- The older sites are showing last months backlinks.

So I guess I agree with people who have said its showing old data along with the freshbot data.

Vishal.

[stuntdubl]

" its like every update, results only look bad if your site is not looking good!"

I don't agree that the dance is a zero sum game in regards to webmasters here at WW. All of the webmasters in the top 10 for serps do not frequent this board, and those of us that do are generally more informed and less likely to use spammy techniques.....thus I think the more griping the worse the update.....

Yes....there is always some griping......but there are different levels of it, and are some people on this site with more credibility than others.

Everyone claims there is a balance between celebraters and whiners during an update, but I honestly think that GG and the rest of the G staff value the opinion of the webmasters here much more than the average schlub whether they care to admit or not.

WW webmasters are generally more informed, and most likely looked to as leaders in regards to computers in their ring of peers, thus our opinions are quite important, and if you look carefully at each update, I'm sure you would be able to see that it is generally newer members who are complaining, and the well-informed people just sit back and enjoy the ride by learning from mistakes and changes.

Just my .02
Don't whine about it.....learn from it, and help improve it. We sometimes take for granted what a wonderful service google has worked very hard to provide. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Google Guy, and wipe the brown off my nose.

[AAnnAArchy]

<<All of the webmasters in the top 10 for serps do not frequent this board, and those of us that do are generally more informed and less likely to use spammy techniques.....thus I think the more griping the worse the update.....>>

Actually, some of the best informed people *are* the spammers. That's why they're good at what they do. The good ones know way more than a lot of us.

[mbennie]

An uneducated guess about all this....

At some point Google is going to be integrating fresh results into the index and updating PR on the fly eliminating the need for a monthly update.

www-sj is testing some portion of this process which would explain the old 'stale' serps mixed with the brand new recently crawled pages that make this curious index.

My 2 cents.

[Polarisman]

All I have to say is that I can't wait for Yahoo to switch to Inktomi's results.

[deanril]

Yet another take on it...............

My home page is from when it was deep crawled for sure 2 weeks ago. However I get fresh botted daily, so for the key words that my home page takes care of, I cant really say how I will rank, except for how im ranking now. On -SJ my home page key words, are a tad better, up a few positions.

Now I had 30 static pages that havent been on google, but I noticed they were deep crawled 2 weeks ago, and sure enough all of them are at -SJ with 2 week old stuff on them. And for 20 of them the keywords, I take #1 , the rest are #3-#7 . Which is fine, I have allready updated them with more optimization, they will snag #1 from my un attentative competitors ;)

So to me, who knows FOR SURE my 2 week old deep crawl is at -sj right now. I say the data is from the latest crawl(within 3 weeks ago till now) and there is NO Freshbot data.

Now this is MY take on it, because of my results on my site. My pages including the ones that get fresh boted daily are 2 weeks old, and are deep crawl data.

[mil2k]

For me the funnier side is that My competitor's secondary sites are showing on the first page whereas his main site is on page two!(which was #1 BTW) Again a reason for me to believe that this is an Experiment. But the most baffling part is that sometimes these results are shown on the main server! Would certainly like to hear what GG has to say.

[Hollywood]

For what it is worth

I am working harder than any SEO in the world to make it to the top pages for my major search term. (giggle)

On the regular google.com I am on page 5

On the [www-sj.google.com...] server I am now on page three

I have never been this high up (page 3) on my term, I have one of the top 10 most competitive terms on the entire net.

This tells me a thing or two...
1) This [www-sj.google.com...] server is doing some new stuff.
2) The data must be for a new indexing to go live I think soon.

This may be a test but there is more (maybe) to this than meets the eye.

I may be wrong but a top position on page 3 would be very very nice, I almost do not want to make it to page 2 as I would suffer from attack full force from competition of many of the best webmasters for sure.

So.... something is up here

[deanril]

Go for the gold man! Page 1, just sneak on in there, when their not looking :) , thats the best way.

Im new to all the seo stuff, but I sure as hell enjoy it when I "sneak on in there" outa know where snagging #1, on my easier key words.

But I have a major keyword, on all search engines,im on page 6/5 bounces a bit. On -sj its on 3, but Im taking that with a grain of salt!

But Im going for page 1, fear none my friend, ATTACK!

ps I dont know if your working harding then me man ;)

[vitaplease]

Just did a few overnight iterations on my computer,
and SJ stands for Second (J)Eigenvector:

[stanford.edu...]

This statement has implications for the convergence rate of the standard PageRank algorithm as the web scales, for the stability of PageRank to perturbations to the link structure of the web, for the detection of Google spammers, and for the design of algorithms to speed up PageRank.

Joking aside, it is different, soon and incoherent enough to be some kind of testing ground.

[denisl]

A lot of you are saying that SJ is showing old data plus freshbot data but allinurl:mysite on SJ is showing more pages than ever before -surely this is new deepcrawl data?