They're at it again with the -sj server

different serps and backlinks

[waynet]

Looks like they are testing the www-sj.google.com server again. I see 384k backlinks for yahoo and the serps are different.

[Jesse_Smith]

Uggg, this is driving me nuts!!! I closed the browser, opened it again and it was back to the old number!! Oh well, atleast I got that screen shot to prove it!!!!!!! !

[mat]

Hmm - I'm seeing sj on www now. I'm in Italy.

[mat]

Yep, still new on www. The DMOZ category link is out of date, however.

[Jesse_Smith]

:::Hmm - I'm seeing sj on www now. I'm in Italy.

Thank you! Atleast I'm not the only one going nuts! I saw it there again, but now it's back to 661,000 again!

[mat]

Noone loathes this sort of thread more than I. I don't usually waste any time on them, but this does seem to be creating several 'cry wolf' veterans.
Perhaps it's not the update, but there were very different serps on www for a moment there, not only sj, so this 'test' is not just behind closed doors, if indeed that's what it is. Needless to say, they're gone now.

[SeventiesMartin]

According to eFactory the update has started, they've never been wrong before, hope they are this time. Check out the progress on the right nav bar.

I can't post the url but if you search on google (www-sj or www, they haven't changed at least) on "dance efactory" they are number one.

This site seems well up on google and mentions Brett etc.

Also has a very good explanation on how google pr is calculated, follow the pagerank link right at the bottom of the right nav bar.

So I'm really confused, googleguy seems to say No update, eFactory say it has started, but www2 which usually seems to be the work area for the new index is not different.

[Receptional Andy]

A quote from the site you mention Martin:

Searches at the www-sj data center have been redirected to other data centers for many months. Now it is online again and www.google.com partly resolves to the according IP address.

Make of that what you will ;)

[JonB]

i jsut recieved sitepro news and they say : www2 is really www-sj, and www3 is www-va.

i dont think this is correct sicne i get different results on these servers.

[Markus]

According to eFactory...

:)
Yes, I think it's the update. The last time www2 didn't resolve to the update data center either when it started.

[mil2k]

I think they must be announcing Google dance when they see fluctuations in one of the data centres and since -sj is showing different results their dance alarm must have been triggered. Notice how they say

The update is 1/7 completed.

[kyr01]

If this index will be the new main index, i'll start spamming!

Count me in, too! My site, which is absolutely 'se honest' and usually first for every search in its own field just disappeared from -sj! Guess what, all those spammy competitors do appear on the first page, right now. Hopefully, they are just testing a new way to identify spammers...

[edneil]

If the index showing on-sj is the new results then it's a disaster for lots of good sites. I'm convinced it's a glitch but would be delighted for GG to fly in with a message and put my mind at rest.

[Napoleon]

>> If the index showing on-sj is the new results then it's a disaster for lots of good sites <<

I agree with that. I think it would be terrible news for Google to be honest.

[DaveN]

if sj is the new index i have just seen two squeaky clean sites burnt hehehe ...... they where above me.

DaveN

[trillianjedi]

This is not the update.

The database at sj is exaclty the same one that was there when this exact same thing happened last week. This has been going on for ages - pay attention everyone!

It is the old index from last month (or whenever) with some freshbot listings.

I'm sure they're using it to just mess around with.

This is not the new index, which is a shame for me personally as I did really well in it and I'd be happy if they re-used it!

TJ

[DaveN]

trillianjedi, -sj index has never been live I promise you that much.

Dave

[Receptional Andy]

trillianjedi, -sj index has never been live I promise you that much.

Maybe you spoke too soon? I've seen the sj results on all of my google.com searches for the last 5 minutes or so. Don't worry, I'm not crying 'update' but it's pretty strange that these results are showing on the .com.

[UK_Web_Guy]

sj results showing on .co.uk & .com from the UK as well for past 10-15 mins

I agree not good, for Google more than anything else - so can't believe these will stick - www2 & www3 still orginal results

[trillianjedi]

Not showing on .co.uk or .com from the UK where I am - still getting original results, not the -SJ results.

TJ

[needinfo]

I can't see sj results on .com or .co.uk either. Has the sj server ever been a prelude to what the update will look look like before?

[trillianjedi]

Don't know about SJ, but I think EX has been in the past.

Interestingly, EX is also showing slightly different results...

TJ

[webdev]

Definitely something going on

www and www2 www3 showing different number of results returned 2 and 3 showing a lot more for keywords from UK

Backlinks still the same though and not the same data as SJ

[tabheaven]

I have noticed that almost all my pages that SJ displays are missing description and title.

Could this be because of something they are playing with or is it my misstake?

//Mattias

[needinfo]

If the sj server is an indication of the index to come then I and I guess a lot of others are in trouble!

I wish GG would come online and say something because threads like this drive everybody mad.

[coconutz]

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com] UK_Web_Guy and Mattias.

>>Could this be because of something they are playing with or is it my misstake?

I think this is something similar to what we saw on www-sj.google.com on the 26th [webmasterworld.com] and not an update [webmasterworld.com].

[steveb]

I know this can't be the case, but the trash on -sj seems so heavy loaded with guestbook and linksmanager dependent sites that it is almost an anti-update... kinda like "look at all these bad sites that would rank well if we didn't have a real algorithm."

(LOL, -sj has Al-Gore-Rhythm)

[UK_Web_Guy]

hi guys - good to be here

.co.uk & .com back to normal now in UK.

[Canary]

Maybe Google are going to launch a search service for people who want to have spam and sj means spam junk.

www-spam-junk.google.com

[Markus]

One of our backward links missed the crawl for the last update and was greyed out. The www-sj data center now sends back a PR6 for that page. The PR of many of our pages has changed. Looks very much like an update.

[jpjones]

This is not the update.
The database at sj is exaclty the same one that was there when this exact same thing happened last week. .....

It is the old index from last month (or whenever) with some freshbot listings.

I'd agree with that. A site we took down a couple of months ago is ranking higher (pg 2) on -sj than it is on the main data centres (pg 3). As we took it down we'd expect the site to drop down the listings over time.

Also, I remember last months' index showing us in that exact position for the same keyword that is now being shown on -sj.

JP