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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update Part 2

         

GoogleGuy

4:50 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Continued from part 1: [webmasterworld.com...]


I stopped by several times yesterday, but it seemed like people were into the analysis stage already. caveman, this update didn't add any penalties for hyphenated domains, so that's not a factor. Just a reminder that people with specific feedback (good or bad) can send it to webmaster [at] google.com with the keyword "floridaupdate" somewhere in the email. I've mentioned that a few times, but as more than one person has pointed out, it can take 2-3 hours to read the whole thread from beginning to end. :)

c1bernaught

11:40 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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usavetele:

<<The only difference between these new pages is the name of the country and price of the product.
My Q is this: Have I diluted my main keywords by having so many pages on my site focusing on one product and that are basically duplicate?>>

The problem that you have is that you have just created what I think is considered a "black hat" site. If the only difference in these pages are the name of the city and the price... it's bad... each page should be tailored to the page focus... content.... images.... links .... something...

Put that "white hat" on...

Ride fast, shoot straight and speak the truth....

jrokesmith

11:40 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Usavetele,

"each page has the same format and same text"

The same text on different pages will trigger G's duplicate content filter and, if you are lucky, cause all of the new duplicate pages to have a PR of zero since they are the newest version of the duplicate content. If you are unlucky, the filter will hit the original page thereby causing a page on your site with existing PR to become PR zero.

steveb

11:42 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Please don't use this thread for questions unrelated to this update process. It is cluttered enough. Start another thread about other topics.

The datacenters rotate, different ones "leading the way" each update. -va seems to have that role in this one, with -in seemingly up to something else.

naturalinstinct

11:54 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is anybody else out there whose pages have bombed since friday also noticed that googlebot hasn't been round since then or is it just me?

It used to take about 300 pages a day but now nothing in 5 days!

sd2001

11:57 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)



Ours dropped to #280 in Sat on Sun Googlebot visited and picked up robot.txt & index.html.

But we don't have a new date stamp yet.

nakulgoyal

12:05 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Everthing seems to be working perfect for me. Sales are moving up for my clients.

My affiliate links are getting me traffic and impress and commissions. All pages indexed. Showing Good in the SERPS. Lot of TOP Positions. Happy Clients. Good PR. Good Links Coming Back. Money into my Paypal from happy Clients. New Orders! SEO and Link Building seems to work for me and my clients. And as I compare results on several servers, I see better results everywhere.

skipfactor

12:07 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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since friday also noticed that googlebot hasn't been round since then

I've been hit pretty hard & still seeing a typical, if not more pronounced, crawl.

deanril

12:17 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nakulgoyal Wait till part 2 of this update, and your pay pal, clients affiliates will be out the window, like ours :)

caveman

12:19 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nakulgoyal, who asked you?

;-)

Goanna1

12:32 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nakulgoyal, this is not the place for self promotion. Especially considering that you are using your trading name as your username.

[edited by: Goanna1 at 12:40 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]

EarWig

12:38 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In these serious and troubled times it helps to include a little light hearted bit of fun to relieve all the stressed members of WW
So EarWig has been extremely silly and written a little ode to Google for your enlightenment

Mods please feel free to remove this if you find it out of context.
This is neither meant as an attack on Google or GG
Just a bit of fun

Google was once called the top SE
When all they provided, was for free
Now duplicate sites hog the top of the tree
And the good ones are now on page 103
All you hear now is the webmasters plea
Help! Google we're beginning to see
The demise of the great SE

'Twas in the year of 2003
That they stood at the top of the search engine tree
And then they lost site of their main decree
And like proverbial lemmings, jumped into the sea.

Master of all the search engine World,
Until one dark day unfurled
A plethera of excrement that was hurled
From many members at Webmaster World.

Were Google the King of the Castle?
Or did they just play at pass the parcel?
Did they lose their idiology?
Or baffle webmaster world with mythology?

Nay I say, GG tried to clear,
The air, my making it appear
That index pages don`t disappear
Then baffled us more with the strange idea
That all was in order, we had nothing to fear
:)

Keep posting GG - a lot of people here need you
;)
EW

Kratzy

12:41 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We are seeing better SERPS on IN datacenter. anyone else seeing that?

Yep, my homepage is back where I'd expect it to be for keyword #1.

No5needinput

12:50 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I can think of a better name for this update....
It starts with F... and uh ends in ed.

Is'nt an index page supposed to be just that? An index of your site?

What use is a reference book without an index....?

Tomas

12:54 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We are seeing better SERPS on IN datacenter. anyone else seeing that?

Negative. I just can see back links update on -va. However, SERPs still messy. One of my sites that used to be #20 now gone from 1000 top results. Although PR increased from 4 to 5 today.

deanril

12:58 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Very nice EarWig!

greenfrog

1:15 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Something interesting:

I dropped huge in the serps for my best keywords. The basic structure of my pages is:

key-word-phrase.asp

My Serps have dropped off of the charts. Funny thing is if I go back to do a search now using

"key-word-phrase" my serps show up exactly as they were showing before the update.

The major change in MY listings is a result of how google is handling the hyphen now.

Damn the hyphen .... Damn the hyphen.

madmatt69

1:18 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm confused by this update. I was ranked in the top 5 for the last six months for my keywords, and now I'm on page five. There are geocities sites ahead of me?! Sites that have two lines of text saying "Our site about (keyword-phrase) is coming soon" rank far ahead of me, despite my clean seo work (nothing spammy about the site).

Hopefully the update is still being refined...?

prodigyfx

1:20 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)



-ex has fresh dates (18 Nov) and beautiful SERPs, any comments? What about yours?

rfgdxm1

1:27 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>-ex has fresh dates (18 Nov) and beautiful SERPs, any comments? What about yours?

Confirmed. Time for you all to check out -ex. Some sort of new index is appearing. Curiously, different than the one on -in. Thus, we have 2 new indexes on 2 different datacenters.

sd2001

1:30 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)



We have a #1 & #6 on -ex looks good

plasma

1:33 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can't see anything different between -va and -ex

killipso

1:33 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok been reading some more and I just don't get what people are saying.
It has to be my keyword category.
This is what is going on and I have sent out more examples of today then I can remember to prove it.

Message Board spam makes the majority of the pages and its not just one keyword its doing it. And I am not talking about a simple message either popping up. These guys are spamming the boards with over a 1000 characters.
Interlinking 10 1 page websites with all different domians and keywords spammed at the bottom at least 11 times linking to the 10 domains.

The url theory is bunk also as I can show you at least 40 domains that are the keywords Also I can show 1 thru 10 on many different pages of the titles being and descriptions being keyword keyword keyword keyword keyword .

GG asked me to send him the results and I did 2 days ago and told me he would show them to someone. I haven't heard anything as of yet.

Has anyone ever had GG do anything as far as spam and what were the results.
Sorry GG don't mean to offend but I am in a real serious situation as I depend on my phone ringing.
I actually have done biz with google and know people there but I hate to call them with this.
I mean I read the problems you guys are having but this is extreme to a measure that has to be taken care of.
I am very fustrated and maybe there is hope for you guys but the results I see doesnt hold much for me.
Thanks for listening to me rant but this is the only place I can get it off my chest.

cabbie

1:33 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nope ex has still someway to go.

dazzlindonna

1:34 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i dont see any difference yet on -ex than any other datacenter.

Stefan

1:35 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting... I have a freshtag on our index for Nov 18 in -ex, and Nov 17 -in.

bignet

1:36 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-ex seems to lead the way
my updated pages are reflected there

Will Google end up as -ex or -in?

mfishy

1:36 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-in has had a very different index throughout this whole process. This is the datacenter where google is not in the top 100 for search engine :)

rfgdxm1

1:37 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Can't see anything different between -va and -ex

Try some different keywords. -ex still may be half baked, but something is cooking.

bignet

1:38 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-in has had a very different index throughout this whole process. This is the datacenter where google is not in the top 100 for search engine :)

G caught wearing black hat?

rfgdxm1

1:39 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>-in has had a very different index throughout this whole process. This is the datacenter where google is not in the top 100 for search engine

ROFL. Now THAT is hilarious. :)

Added: for a search for search engine, this is an example where -ex is much different than -va.

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