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so, is the update over?
How long is a piece of string? Updates are perpetual.
Dave
Googleguy - "I think most of the data for this iteration has been folded in now "
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Oops...! If that's the case, then this Florida Update is the *ADVANCE* version of Dominic by Google? Last time G had shown what they intend to head for in regards to the serp and new algo but had done it poorly - so this seems to be the enhancement of Dominic algo. The missing index page is one of its symptom and I'm quite worry that this round they may not reappear. In the future we have to stress much more on "organic links"!
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It is unlikely to be the case, napoleon_bona_part_2...I believe many sites that suffer from missing index pages and got dumped got links only from thematically similar sites with related link text.
I think googleguy is much like the bible, you must interpret to get the real facts, if you dont you arent really reading what he is saying.
And next are we going to believe that Google is God?
Bad things happen to good people and vice-versa, but to put GG in the same sentence with the bible is going a bit to far.
I believe, but in the One and only "G", and if you have to ask which "G" that is it may be time to rethink your life rather than your web sites.
I've been reading this thread since it came up, but I didn't thought there was much to say.
Now some of my observations:
I have about 30 domains in Google, all in other "keyword-areas", some on very competitve keywords some on niche-keywords.
And all in all I don't know what you all are complaining about. None of my sites has moved up or down. They all keep their good positions, except one site, which completely fell out. But this problem occured with other webmasters, too so I think it is due to some technical (spidering) problems.
Therefore I think everybody who made good, non-tricky, google-guideline seo should keep his position, or a competitor has made better seo and ranks above now.
What displeases me a bit are so-called "search-engine-sites/directories" which have created a doorwaypage for every keyword combination they can imagine. Those doorwaypages have usually paid links or affiliate links on them and rank pretty high for 2-3 keyword phrases.
I really can't see a quality - decrease in the SERPS for my keywords and the searches I usally do for private purposes.
greg
Jessica, I also hope so because I'm one of the victims, but what make me worry is that not all the index pages are missing! IMHO, G does not miss any index page this time, but it seems that G does *NOT* credit much enough link weight that they previous did, so the index pages got dumped and lose the positions. From my observation, it is not necessary to be the index page, but any other page that has inflated incoming links.
i do a search for www.site.com/index.html and google is unable to find it
My PR keeps increasing then decreasing
Anyone else noticing this.
I don't think it's over yet.
same here, PR comes and goes for my domains.
Laurenz
Sure: they have PR10 and some mentioning of "company" and "development" in the body.
Looks like they are switching over to another business :)
[edited by: WebmasterFisherman at 10:59 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]
My index page only lost a few spots for the main term (which accounts for about 50% of the market), it's been top 2-3 for about 5 months, top ten for a year) but I see that many of my largest competitors have vanished. I doubt they did anything close to being considered spam. In their places are a variety of pages related to the keyphrase, a link to an old report from the EPA, a DEEP amazon page and a couple of very poor single product/low PR 2-3 page websites.
My home page drops from 2 to 9 and my sales are up, because somewhow, at least for the last few days, google no longer finds some of my competitors from the top 10 worthy of a top 500 listing anymore?
I really doubt that those quality sites will not return. My index page vanished in Esmeralda for "weeks but not months" and I had similar problems last Sept./Oct. - I made no changes to my conservative approach and everything came back in, some better than before.
If all the data is "folded in" now, I would think we would start seeing it "unfold" soon and see what Florida has in store for the Holiday season. :)
my3cents
www-ex 234,000 results position =25 backlinks =6
www-kr 188,000 results position =25 backlinks =6
www-mc 183,000 " " =23 " =6
www.va 276,000 " " =25 " =5
www.dc 279,000 " " =25 " =6
www.fi 266,000 " " =25 " =6
www.ab 274,000 " " =25 " =6
www.in 283,000 " " =13 " =6
www.cw 281,000 " " =25 " =6
www.gv 187,000 " " =25 " =6
for a generic word such as 'news' this is the results from the DC's
www-ex 326,000,000 top3 cnn,bbc,abc backlinks top1 115,000
www-kr 252,000,000 top3 ---same--- " " 115,000
www-mc 240,000,000 top3 cnn,bbc,fox " " 114,000
www-va 372,000,000 top3 cnn,bbc,abc " " 110,000
for the remainin DCs the top3 remain the same and the backlinks remain the same the results total varies as follows
www-dc 378,000,000
www-fi 357,000,000
www-ab 370,000,000
www-in 368,000,000
www-cw 377,000,000
www-gv 253,000,000
a search against 'share buying' returned a similar range of results varying over the DC's the top 3 remained the same except for on DC's www-mc and www-in
from the above it seems to me that www-mc, www-va www-in are most in change in easy to see factors the others less noticably so. Can anything else be determined from looking at these datacentre results other than it is still in flux? And i'd like www-in to be the index! ;-)
They obviously havent bothered moving it, I thought it was worth discussing to be honest.....
What happens to be showing on www doesn't matter and will keep changing till all the datacenters sync, so you really should just ignore all that.
Hehehe... yes, that sort of scenario is WIDESPREAD in this index.
When you change the algo to crank out index pages via an anchor-text and on-page SEO formula, the result is:
a) Focused niche sites drop out
b) The quality of the SERPS is drastically reduced as a result
c) And of course, many small guys suffer badly
Unless they are totally stupid, or fixated with one single set of test data, Google are certainly aware of this. They must, therefore, have a different agenda to the one most people presume.
Ironically, the winners, apart from those big (HP type) sites with deep pockets, could ultimately include Inktomi. For the first time ever, their index now compares favourably to Google for my testbed of 20 searches.
I see Spam everywhere and will not be emailing you with examples as it's not my job to help you produce relevant results - it's yours. I think expecting all the webmasterworld "Google algo change guinea pigs" here to report Spam is adding insult to injury.
Sorry.
V Disgruntled Customer
Take it on the chin. You got caught with your pants down. So did we. Forget about it. You have a month to clean up.
Really?
It would be nice to know just what, exactly.
What sort of changes do we do?
We make these irregular SEO changes, then Yahoo! switches to INK and we all get hammered in INK!
