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I should also mention that within the top ten for "my keyphrase uk" there are three sites that are spammy: cross linking hidden in comment tags and that sort of thing.
[edited by: troi21 at 12:22 pm (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]
I wrote to you as requested about the problems I'm seeing (with a page on purple widgets showing up on a search for red widgets and the page on red widgets not showing up at all). You haven't gotten back to me. Should I write again?
They must still be testing. If these are the final results, then we must welcome INK and MSN as big players.. I am sure there will be algo changes (and there need to be for over-optimization) but these CANT be the final answers...
I am going to wait before doing anything - thank GOD our business does not thrive off marketing.. Whew!
New candidate for the Ironic Post of the Year Award.
What the heck is your job if not to help "produce relevant results"?
Just a tip, webmaster should be creating relevant content, which thus leads to search engines being able to deliver relevant results.
The problem is... There is nothing to be cleaned!
My page on Widgets, called Widgets.htm that was doing well for a search of Widgets is gone. Instead are 2 other pages that just contain a link to the widgets page in the nav bar. They don't contain the phrase Widgets anywhere else on the page or in any tags.
Why these 2 pages, if google is going to list these 2 pages instead, which is obviously wrong as neither have anything to do with Widgets, then why not the other several hundred pages with Widgets in the Nav bar.
It all seems a bit random to me.
I see that this seems to be the main problem with most webmasters here. Do not see many people jumping for joy. If they are happy they are 1 time posters who have not been round too long.
Turn back the algo clock google!
Well its only getting worse.
Heres some examples :
Rhode Island Keyword
Travel Guide
Hazardous Waste for Generators
Autobody Certification Program Elements
Geographic Area Series
Household Hazardous Products
Not one of these is remotely close to the keyword.
Florida Keyword
1 thru 10
Message board spam
message board spam
message board spam
message board spam
message board spam
message board spam
message board spam
message board spam
message board spam
message board spam
Anyone wants the keywords sticky me.
You guys all have it good and should be happy . What I got is a living hell here.
Now I am noticing 2 companies that have a huge web ring are showing up in very prominent main keywords that I have.
GG if your reading this whats going on with the results I e-mailed you with?
Any update would be appreciated.
Also being a noobie to google I know they have a company in California and I know the guys came from Stanford.
Do they have a branch in Massachusetts? Or do the guys that went to Stanford live in Massachusetts?
Anyone know?
Dan
serps return page for green widget from mydomain
plus page for red widget from mydomain
but not the page for blue widget from mydomain
the pages it returns simply link to the blue widget page, quite remarkable really...one day when we are very very old we will find out how google test their relavancy...you think they use dice or coins?
Same here. Trouble is, adding "UK" to a search is often a second option for searchers.
"I do not know whether I will reappear for the initial search term or if I have been penalised for some unknown reason.
I could make changes if I knew what was wrong."
Couldn't agree more : steady, constant, careful progress wiped out overnight, but only on maybe half the sites/terms I work on.
"Let's accept the update is over and start to really analyse what is going on."
Couldn't agree less : hold your horses -- don't forget previous updates, where much of it went back again.
I agree. The countless web sites gone AWOL which have never made any effort at all to SEO, are but one testimony to that.
THE REALITY: Focused niche websites, attract focused niche anchor text, and contain focused niche content. A recipe for disaster under the new algo.
The sad fact is that Google is no longer a particularly good SE for focused niche searches. The party in error therefore is actually Google... through this algo change it has also changed its own CHARACTER: more bland returns from fewer high ranking sites.
That, unfortunately for Google, is part and parcel of QUALITY... it defines either consciously or subconsciously how people will actually view the SERPS. This should not be underestimated, because it determines how people will ultimately view the search engine itself over the medium term.
I do regret this, because I have had a high regard for Google over a long time. However, by the objective measures in my toolset at least, their crown has definitely slipped.
That would be fine if we knew what to clean up. It's hard to clean up an optimized site with no spam. I think this update goes against Bretts "Successful Site in 12 Months"
Other webmasters cant get you banned eh?
That is exacly how my site is.
And it's gone only God knows where :(
Thanks to Brett and all the guys on here who have given at least one old man a new hobby in life.
Unfortunately I don’t have the faintest idea about HTML so can only produce articles or pages that try to comply with what I have learned on here. I then rely on the youngsters who do understand, to make a page with my article.
So far it has worked pretty well, as after 6 months I now have 400 KW on first page of G, with 245 at No.1, and10 of those being against over 1 million.
Having followed this post for several days, I decided to wait a few days for G to have a good shuffle, and have now completed the laborious task of checking each of the 400 KW.
The interesting, and encouraging, find is that they are all still there, so maybe the few bits that I understand are still in good standing. It is also encouraging for those of us who only understand the words on a page, and are left in the dark by all the amazing things that you genius youngsters discuss on WW.
So far the latest shuffle has not affected a single KW.
My only query goes back to before the shuffle. One of the sites on which I am allowed to write articles is a directory with a search facility, based on a different idea of categories and classifications. The KW’s that were No.1 have disappeared completely. Having read on here a few days ago about “poison words”, I wonder if this is perhaps the reason. As the KW’s are an accurate description of the website, if this is the case, this could be considered to be slightly unfair. How do I find out?
GranPops
Hmmm... Maybe it's hitting a little too close to home?
No, it's just that GoogleGuy probably gets tired of trying to discuss things intelligently amid rants and trash talk.
A framed site!
Yes I have noticed that too. My sites are in many languages and only english is the one that has dropped.
Sure, Google has buried many top ranked, "overly optimised" pages, but at what price?
The result is that slightly relevant, tangential pages, seem to be dominating the SERPS.
One, "off handed" mention of a term on a web page does not, generally, make it the most relevant page for a query.
To be frank, our spammy sites seem to have faired well, while a few sites I am involved with that have next to no seo tactics, have vanished - for being too relevant?
I guess the way to go is to take the relevant keywords phrases off your page and don't link using them :)
Maybe we only had much luck or the german part of the web has been left out by this update/massacre. (But that wouldn't be possible from a technical stand of view, wouldn't it? )
greg
Amen to that. Clearly, internally-linking anchor text comprised of searched keywords is a significiant problem on my site at the moment. Lesser optimized keywords search just fine on G. But my two, two-word key phrases that I have in anchor text which point to some other page on my site have been hit hard. Add to this the fact that the file name is also the name of the keyword term with hyphens. So, the recipe for distaster in my case is/was:
1) keywords in anchor text; and
2) anchor text linking to internal pages; and
3) linked-to file name the same as the anchor text (but seperated with hyphens).
I wouldn't hold my breath too long as I do not believe this particular issue (internally-linking keyword anchor text) is something that will eventually work itself out in the update....unless Google chooses to address the anchor text issue and modify the algo.
No, it's just that GoogleGuy probably gets tired of trying to discuss things intelligently amid rants and trash talk.
You said it, Europe.
So many unhappy bunnies.
This has got to be the biggest whinge thread ever.
I see that this seems to be the main problem with most webmasters here. Do not see many people jumping for joy. If they are happy they are 1 time posters who have not been round too long.
The Update threads are generally taken over by people who feel badly done to. Most of the members I learned to listen to since I found this site don't seem to have joined in on this discussion.
As for me, I really don't see the point in saying that I think the results in my area look good and my sites have made some good gains. I don't have time to join the 'debate' and look into it further because I am busy adding some maor enhancements to a site and working on the code for some new ones. For me the big news this week is the Ink results on Yahoo.
there have been changes in the German serps connected with Florida for what I watched, so if you didn't see anything you probably can feel safe this month :-))
