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Update Jagger - Part 2

         

Brett_Tabke

1:08 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from
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Mountdoom

8:38 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Since Jagger started I've been completely lost in the wilderness trying to survive on berries and funghi. I wake up this morning and find a burger van open serving hot tea and all day breakfasts!

For me 66.102.9.104 is excellent news - not as good as pre-jagger, but not a business buster! Strangely I don't see similar results on a lot of the other DCs (through McDar) or on resellers other J3 candidates i.e. 216.239.53.99 // 216.239.57.99 // 66.102.7.99 . I'm going to enjoy my breakfast while I've got it.

reseller

8:45 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks

For the first time, I see now a new serps for my testing keyphrases on these 4 Dcs. This hasnīt been there for few hours ago. And as Dayo_UK mentioned correctly, command site:www.mysite.dk shows my home page on top of the listings, while all other DCs showing secondary pages at top of the listings. Which means some improvements in canonicals issue.

66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104

66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104

So maybe Jagger3-2 is on its way, keeping in mind that Jagger3-1 was first noticed on these 3 DCs :-)

216.239.53.99
216.239.57.99
66.102.7.99

Powdork

8:47 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know I may have been a little over the top with my previous post but...

I used to have a little script that redirected those with adblockers to a "why you can't see my site" page. One day, someone who I invited to see my site had their adblocker on and was redirected. They let me know what I could do with my invitation. Since then I removed the redirect. I have my standards and I like to keep the high moral ground too, but the cost had become too great. My little piece of mind didn't justify what I was doing.
Why not just come up with a method to overwrite content you would prefer removed in some way. There's got to be a way to do that. For instance, what happens if you have a post that you want to delete forever. Currently, there is not a noarchive tag on the page. So you change the content of the page, add the noarchive tag, and submit the url (since ww url's get crawled so rarely). What is the effect of a noarchive tag added to a url retroactively? Wouldn't the cache be removed forever. That might not stop archive.org from indexing the content prior to the tag, but the noarchive tag won't stop any bad bot anyway.

Anywho, it really ticks me off when I can't find content that I am responsible for.

MHes

8:54 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>For the first time, I see now a new serps for my testing keyphrases on these 4 Dcs.....

Flux. Many of us here have been seeing sites come and go over the last 2 days on these dc's.

Dayo_UK

8:54 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)



Reseller

Those DCs like 66.102.9.104 are in flux though - last night more sites were showing homepage first for site search followed by normal pages - and then supplementals last.

This is not the case at the moment - some sites yes.

I guess GG/MC may want to let it settle before commenting.

McMohan

8:56 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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reseller,

The DCs you mention are definitely moving a bit, so have few other DCs as well. I am afraid, none are moving so much that we may term it as Jagger3. May be the tail of flux of the last update. Matt said somewhere, Jagger3 will adress general indexing issues, which I guess is a larger scenario that also addresses canonical and supplementals issues. I doubt when Jagger3 sets in, things will move quite differently than they have been all the while.

tigger, I am sure you have been here long enough to panic in the middle of an update, knowing there is more to come. My gut feeling, you will have a different story when all these ends. Best wishes.

Powdork

8:57 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't have a lifeline, Tigger, just encouraging words. Sites that drop are in trouble. Sites that disappear (especially index pages) in the beginning of an update usually reappear in at least the position they were at before they disappeared. If at the beginning of an update I had the choice of complete disappearance or dropping from 1 to 8, I would choose the former.
In short, dropping from 1 to 8 means Google doesn't like your page as much. Dropping off the map means a glitch or otherwise temporary drop that will be short lived.
The first time I wrote it, it was much more poetic. Alas, those words are gone now...

Best of luck Tigger.

Mountdoom

8:59 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree with Reseller. Those 4 DCs are showing new results for me across hundreds of keywords.

tigger

9:02 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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cheers McMohan, and I know not to try and hit the panic button, but I've never had a drop like this not in 6 years - not to one hour be ranking then dropped to 60th.

But I can't see this as G way of trying to filter sites

Note to all

Can we not mention the A word as against the terms here, anyone wanting to discuss this could we refer to that term as Pink widgets

jenkers

9:02 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm getting lots more traffic this morning. Well up for a 'normal' Saturday. What I'm seeing is people are getting to me again by my more 'peripheral' terms.
I seemed to have lost traffic on those but for the moment at least it seems to be flooding back.

StriderUK

9:02 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree with Mountdoom and Reseller (for once ;-), my site disappeared and is now back on those DC's- not as high as I would want (and not all pages) but at least I have a base from which to fight from. This is the first time in the jagger updates I have seen this...we will be fluxing about for a while yet I think.

MHes

9:05 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>I agree with.....Reseller (for once ;-)

LOL

When you make as many predictions and claims as Reseller you have to agree with him once in a while :)

tigger

9:05 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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cheers Powdork

as a site thats dropped (1st to 60th) I've got problems then using your theory, why do I think this is going to be a bad weekend

Thanks for the good luck wishes, I think I'm going to need them

blaggard

9:11 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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for a single keyword I am tracking those datacentres are now throwing a lot of chaff in with the wheat. Can't see that it's an improved set of results from yesterday. The cache dates range from 23/10/2005 up to 2/11/2005 Hopefully filters still need to be applied...

reseller

9:11 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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MHes

">I agree with.....Reseller (for once ;-)

LOL
When you make as many predictions and claims as Reseller you have to agree with him once in a while :) "

Cīmon MHes..give me a break :-)

Honestly, if you go back to all update threades since Allegra, you shall see that I'm the one who makes less predictions regarding the DCs than the rest of other kind fellow members who watch the DCs.

[edited by: reseller at 9:11 am (utc) on Nov. 5, 2005]

MHes

9:11 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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tigger

So you have seen a drop in the last few hours on the Live google.com (as opposed to the .99 DC's)?

tigger

9:15 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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yep on both .com & .co.uk I was ranking within the top 3 now gone( well down to 60th). this happened by the looks of things according to my stats around 6 am GMT

lee_sufc

9:17 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This update is just horrible - one moinute my site is gone, then it is back but 50 pleaces lower, then it is higher than when it started.

Then...I get up this morning as the find the following results which for me would be dissastrous:
66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104

66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104

reseller

9:18 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Folks!

Please... Lets pray for our brother tiggerīs site :-)

Almighty God,
Through the Rays of Google,
Through the Waves of Jagger3,
Through the All Pervading Life in WebSpace;
Purify and Revivify tiggerīs site
And we pray, heal tiggerīs site.
Amen

MHes

9:18 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Tigger

Which DC's are currently live and the ones you are seeing on .com & .co.uk?

How are you ranking on 66.102.11.99?

blaggard

9:22 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I see no change from yesterday for .com or .co.uk for single keyword on existing site and 3 keywords for a new site.

nippi

9:24 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Big changes, and they are all good as far as I can see.

Woohoo

spaceylacie

9:24 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<whisper>As I stare down at my feet in my moment of silence, I can't help to remind others that various DC results are appearing sporadically in google.com and .UK results. They often disappear quickly.</whisper>

Dayo_UK

9:27 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)



The amount of flux just within this one dc is incredible at the moment:-

[66.102.9.104...]

Well for the keywords I am watching.

taps

9:28 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo: Sorry, had to take a walk with the dog.

Yes, I meant the fresh tags. They still are missing.

I did not see these results in the past four weeks. So I really hope these are new and they will spread.

blaggard

9:30 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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66.102.9.104 - no way they can stay like that without filtering

Powdork

9:30 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry tigger. I've dropped from 1 to 6 which seems to be about as bad. For a while I disappeared completely on 66.102. 9.99 but it was days ago. I had hope then and I have reappeared at #4. There are still results in front of me that don't deserve to be there so I am still hopeful.

Regarding the "A" word. We can't say affiliate anymore?;)

taps

9:32 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Doing site:www.mydomain.foo on 66.102.9.104 I see the start pages at first place for four of my sites.

Doing it with my main site I don't. (This is the site being banned for dupe content).

tigger

9:34 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>Which DC's are currently live and the ones you are seeing on .com & .co.uk?

Mhes,

sorry bud, how do I check this?

>>How are you ranking on 66.102.11.99?

I rank 45th & on .com 32nd

UK_Web_Guy

9:36 am on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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66.102.9.104 is where i'm getting results from www.google.co.uk

If this is a sign of things to come, could be an interesting weekend!

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