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When I look at most competitive terms on Google.fr I find REALLY a lot of cloaking pages and keyword stuffing.
For example "voyage pas cher" (cheap tickets) or "agence de voyage" (travel agency) #1 looks like cloaking as far as I'm concerned and extending research throughout the french competitive terms I find a lot of those.
I wonder if spam report works over there in europe? Maybe googleguy can tell?
Of course, and next week WebmasterWorld.com will be in the top 10 movers...
I thought is was strange but my traffic from msn and yahoo has gone crazy since the update as well I think that shows me the general population are really not going for this new update and looking for better searches.
How does an increase in MSN and Yahoo referrals indicate that people are using Google less? What's more likely is that it's either chance or they are fiddling with their backlinks or algorythm at the same time Google is and if you check the other forums here at WW you will see that they are doing some of their own updating. People giving up Google is way down at the bottom of my list of explanations. The general public doesn't even know about these updates and if they did they could probably care less.
But I have been seeing some jumps in yahoo referrals, as noted above, that can simply mean you are ranking better on more pages in yahoo than you were.
I've seen no increase in yahoo or msn at all, percentage and absolute count wise.
Although in a week or so maybe there will be some changes, we'll see how the real world users (otherwise known as people who do not know seo exists, non-webmasters) respond to these changes, that's what google is watching with eagle eyes, they know what happens in real time, and they know when an update has worked in terms of catching seos by reading these threads, the more annoyed people, the more it's worked, if the real user numbers do not really change but WebmasterWorld posters flip out, the update is a success. If user numbers drop, then they'll roll back the update, or parts of it. Complaining about the serps is pointless, google knows what is happening with its traffic, you don't.
If we could get this thread back on track, compare notes, see what is making sites drop and not drop, that would be great.
The general public doesn't even know about these updates and if they did they could probably care less
A few days ago I would have definitely agreed. But since then two non-technical persons independently complained about bad Google search result quality wihout being asked! And I noticed some questionable results myself, especially with Jagger2. If this is the upcoming quality, we will see and hear increasing complaints.
For certain niches, or if searches repeatedly fail, I imagine that people indeed try "something else".
We as webmasters know that we should try to increase our sites' stickyness with our quality services and/or unique quality content. Otherwise people will not return to our sites for about 4 to 6 months. Why should Google be any different? If SERPs quality is way below average, people WILL look somewhere else.
And, let's be honest, yahoo.com is as easy to remember as google.com
GoogleGuy's effort to open the door for communication and share information with webmasters is a clear indication that they are actually willing to help the little guy, as long as they don’t reveal secrets that black hat SEOs can use to spam them even further.
That's why I'm taking the time to report spam sites, as GoogleGuy requested in an earlier post. There's just no way that they can see all of the "black hat tricks" that we see in our own "network neighborhood" and I recommend that all of you other webmasters in this forum do the same. It may take them a while to automatically filter out all of the spam, but it can only help to improve things in the long run.
I have been lurking in these forums for years, trying to learn as much as possible about SEO/SEM, while working at perfecting my “white hat” skills. This is my first post, and unless you all flame me mercilessly, I will begin helping you out with advice that I have learned from many years of experience in this field. We all might learn something in the process.
So, if your site has been hurt in the jagger update, then it’s time to stop whining and learn why, fix it, and move on.
P.S. Thanks, GoogleGuy!
P.P.S. Let the flames begin!
Yes..it's called Adwords...
if your site has been hurt in the jagger update, then it’s time to stop whining and learn why, fix it, and move on.
Ummm ... I don't think I've whined here, it's just that nobody as yet could give an answer as to the whys and hows of jagger. Everyone says to wait till the 3rd phase ends before doing anything. It's hard to fix something when you don't know what's broken - as many white hat sites here have said
[edited by: alika at 8:05 pm (utc) on Oct. 27, 2005]
