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I've made changes, yes. Starting with the redirect problem. All my sites now answer to www only as of last month. Most all duplicate content returns 404's now as I have removed anything remotely redundant according to the nature of the site for the users benefit as of today.
When checking the lastest DC's I with a query like link: www.mysite.ca I still observe and spam report an amazing amount of scraper sites. This is no small problem when I have over 300 concantations of my domains (Just chopped 115 last night that were redundant) that are geologically based based on domain focus. Each site has as much original content as I have time to write about and used to rank predominantly top 10 but I never monitized until this April.
Need I fill in a seperate spam report for each and every website I have? Is anyone else seeing the 302 redirect problem still with this update for specific link: www.yoursite.ca queries?
My serps dropped with burboun and never recovered fully. I did a wholesale name change accross an entire domain that matched the domain and was hoping for better results. I see this was a good call as my old keywords are thrashed by scrapers.
Does this happen to anyone else - You get a referral from google and you feed it back into the search box and your site isn't there? This has happened countless times for me and IMHO is definately replicatable. Feedback and stickies appreciated. TIA for allowing me to post and be a member.
post number 51 I made on sept 16th 2004
"Massive swings in the algo will be constant now to stimulate adwords sales which is there sole source of revenue.
They have a billion and one risks and need to post profits as large as possible to maintain growth in there stock"
Judging from there recent earnings I will still stick by this statement.
Now if we could only get people to stop using adwords.!
no two sites are equal. For better sites they will allow more
I think you are probably right Walkman but I think they should reconsider the mostly "black box" approach, where we all spend too much time trying to figure out what improvements to the site will improve organic search placements. Better would be to spend all that time working on improving the site with user experience as the only factor. User experience and rankings don't coincide well in the Google (or any other) search environment.
I'm not asking for an algo blueprint (well, OK, we'd all like to see that), rather for guidelines regarding use of CSS, buying/trading/selling of niche-relevant advertising/text link ads,etc, etc.
But I should stop complaining, Jagger 1 brought back some of our traffic - perhaps due to resolution of 301 redirection fixes we did a few months back. Not seeing much change with Jagger 2.
Now if we could only get people to stop using adwords.
A lot of them will be very glad that you've lost traffic and will spend more on adwords not less as a consequence.
I see this whole update in stages as:
Stage one: Determine authorty seed sites and aged link / aged sites based on the factors in patent.
Stage two: Rank indescriminately based on that seed and on other factors. Put out and push spam report to attempt to filter off scum.
Stage three: (Hopefully) fix issues with 302, 301 / canonical issues, then do a deep crawl and open the flood gates.
Any thoughts?
>>Reseller-
Obviously you did not read my entire post. You seem to be pushing this spam report stuff. <<
You are absolutely right ;-)
But should I need to explain why I'm supporting Google WebSpam Team in reporting spam? shouldn't all of us whitehat webmasters do the same?
Those filthy spammers have been killing our sites, stealing our contents and preventing legit sites of ranking and spam is poisoning the serps.
And yes I both know and agree, that Google WebSpam Team didn't treat spam reports seriously in the past. And you can read several war stories of our kind fellow members who reported spam in the past with no proper actions from Google WebSpam Team side.
But recently I sense from reading our kind members GoogleGuy posts on WebmasterWorld forums and Matt Cutts posts (on his blog) that they really mean business this time. And I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Therefore fellow members:
Please start reporting those spammers here:
[google.com...]
In the "Additional details:" section, you would use the keyword "jagger2" (that's "jagger" and the number two with no spaces in between).
And listen Matt and Google WebSpam Team:
You take prompt actions on my fellow members spam reports, or else ;-)
>>I see this whole update in stages as: ...<<
Good morning CainIV
And I see Jagger stages as follows:
Jagger1 : PR & Backlinks update
Jagger2 : Spam Terminator
Jagger3 : Dealing with canonical and supplemental issues. In addition to 301/302 redirects (as you mentioned).
Flux : Tweaking..tweaking...tweaking :-)
It looks like whatever they have done so far is like cooking minced beef. You boil it up and simmer it for a while and the scum rises to the top. You skim that off and leave the succulent tasty meat behind.
According to Matts blog last night, there's just two days to have your say on the spam sites
if you do a jagger2 keyword spam report today, someone might read it today. Probably the earliest round-time reaction where you might see spam going away would be late Friday, I’m guessing?
Time to get those reports in.
I own a legitimate rich content site that has no spam in it. I took a nose dive this update.
If they had such a team and a form to fill I guess they will be dealing with only honest webmaster Because I don't see any Black hat SEO flagging Google with its crappy site.
That is the second comment of this nature, coming from two non-web persons, both complaining about the SERPs quality. Interesting.
- I know of a company, a major Spammer...I mean they do everything: cloaking, hidden text, stuffing etc...
- 95% of their backlinks are from....Cloaking pages!..placed on their clients' websites....and trust me there are 1000's of these pages
Their results: a PR7 and a few great rankings
I have reported these guys here and there for over 6 months but nothing seems to affect them not even the Jagger stuff. They are in Europe though but I've never seen such spam throughout the net and find amazing that Google is still buying it.
Should I keep on report them? (I can send the info by PM...not nice but they deserve it in my opinon:))
Or will the results on 66.102.9.104 roll out to google's other datacenters before Jagger 3?
RE: Canonical URL problem and supplemental issue
Report: Problem with index.html file
In Jagger3 when your team work on Canonical URL problem and supplemental issue, could you please take into consideration the problem of index.html as well?
Normally Google can resolve www.yourdomain/productnames/index.html correctly to www.yourdomain/productnames/ but this time it seems that Google consider them as duplicates by pushing www.yourdomain/productnames/index.html into supplemental result and making www.yourdomain/productnames/ as url only. (Because we use relative url so we points internal links to ../../index.html)
Moreover, non-www and www versions adds to the problem. Because I did not use 301 redirect (mod-rewrite in .htaccess crash with FP extension), thus Google has another copies of the above as non-www version line with either or both yourdomain/productnames/index.html and yourdomain/productnames/
Therefore, I believe that G has about 3-4 copies of that index.html in the databases and that trigger duplicate content issue while infact there is only 1 copy in existence. As a result, most of the pages are wiped out.
>>Should I keep on report them? (I can send the info by PM...not nice but they deserve it in my opinon:))<<
Of course. I would report them now..today as per my msg #:492 on this thread. And "I wouldn't be surprised if" Google WebSpam Team will take care of the rest very soon.
[edited by: reseller at 7:48 am (utc) on Oct. 27, 2005]
I have come to learn that the first changes in an update are usually the important ones and the flux that comes afterwards is just a little tweak here and there. Jagger seams is no different from the rest so far.
I also believe that the "there, there, if you wait a couple of weeks it will all get better" line from Google is just PR to stop us screaming all at the same time and rocking the Google boat. That, among lots of other things, is what I suspect Googleguy's job is, pure PR.
What I really cannot understand is why they have gone so over board with the penalties they hand out. I am not a SEO expert, I freely admit that. I never really understood why my sites were so liked by Google in the past, just as now I don't understand why they have been suppressed so completely.
Of course I have read the guidlines a thousand times.
I have also sent a reinclusion request to Google but have had no reply.
If Jagger 3 changes anything significant I will post humble pie here, here's hoping.
>>Well, just submitted couple of spam reports.<<
Well done!
And I have submitted a spam report yesterday about a site which containes almost all the ingredients of keywords spam. Actually very primative spam methods. Maybe the current filters/algos only cautch advanced spam ;-)
we have been steadily trying to add useful original content for our users over the last few months, a slow process since are a small company
we are in travel when I type in city hotels site name for many of our locations I don't get our page. In one case I get the page of a site that has copied a significant amount of text ( as far as I'm concerned) from our original reviews. I also get a page that has been gone from our site for at least a year and it is marked supplemental which I knew from months ago when it still showed in the index. This page has not been in the index since about January.
we don't have a www non-www problem
on data centre 66.102.9* I have not seen any changes with regards to my site and what looks like only minor flux for the words I watch
So needless to say I am stumped, I can't figure out what has caused such a drop
anyway if anyone has any comments on my observations I am all eyes and ready to read them
thanks
Did not notice hardly anything in my sector :/
I am very much guessing it is a spam filter by GG comments, eg - collecting spam feedback, someone mentions directories still ranking well - G want feedback.
Obviously there is probably more to it than just that as some are seeing improvements in positions which probably would not be caused by the removal of X many spam sites.
Roll on update 3 ;) - That is the biggy - G got it right or not - we will see.
>>anyway if anyone has any comments on my observations I am all eyes and ready to read them<<
Welcome.
You may wish to wait until Jagger update is over and see whether something posative happen for your site.
Otherwise, I suggest you file a reinclusion request later as per the procedure which Matt Cutts posted on his blog.
Good luck.
>>Did not notice hardly anything in my sector :/<<
I asked my site this morning; Site! how is life during Jagger1 & Jagger2?
My site smiled and said; Who is Jagger? Never heard about it. Is it something one can eat like for example Bacon Polenta? :-)
>>Roll on update 3 ;) - That is the biggy - G got it right or not - we will see.<<
Dealing with ranking issues e.g. canonicalization would be very exciting for you, I guess ;-)
Are these results rolling out to all the dc's now?
Maybe the current filters/algos only cautch advanced spam
lol. Looks likely.
Darcy
In one case I get the page of a site that has copied a significant amount of text ( as far as I'm concerned) from our original reviews.
In that case, you may want to spam report about that site, quoting your site which has the original content.
