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you can't post links, that's all. It's not Steve's or my rule, it the forum owner's rule. You're just making the Mods' job harder.
To that SEO guy who is trying to get backlinks and business by bashing G: nice way to get on Google's radar.
C'mon Google Guy, tell us why you don't test the algorithms in-house? Is it because Google doesn't know it's left hand from its right..so to $peak.
Do no evil...I can't believe anyone ever bought into that line...
But one thing each time I add a new page of content to my site today I am rewarded with another Polish Okocim 6%.
That is how I reward myself now with this sick new Jagger update.
So off to writing again, by the fourth page this 500 ml bottle boy gonna be havin' a good ole time.
To add (in order to meet WebmasterWorld guidelines of being on topic) I would say that I do agree we will be finding more changes soon, hold tight but keep doing the right things but don’t tell Google anymore what they are please people.
Ciao - buona notte alle signore belle
Delete it if you can Steveb... I'm sharing info with my fellow webbies.
An SEO Blog and a press release newswire?
Hardly the stuff of rocking the foundations.. I looked at both those links and for the life of me can't see the importance, especially in regards to the forum policies here.
Most of it is stuff everyone here already knows. Not sure why you feel it is so special.
Must have been some other point to that, or maybe none?
Anyway, I'll watch steveb enter enthusiastically into this jagger discussion after watching him last week deny that this update even existed when it clearly did, have to add some more grains of salt here and there I think...
"you can't post links, that's all"
No, you can post links to relevant authority type resources, primary sources etc, but WebmasterWorld decided not to allow blog links recently, not the best idea given that blogs are becoming one of the prime news delivery systems around, especially for tech stuff, plus what's the difference between a simple cms and a blog anyway, not much if you ask me. Blogs are getting more important, especially for breaking news, but the choice was made, have to follow the rules, they tend to work pretty well here.
Very nice to be back home on the "original" place of WebmasterWorld. Thanks a bunch Brett & Co for a great well done job.
Ok. Back to business ;-)
We should expect the second stage of Jagger to start tomorrow (or maybe already today).
I wish GoogleGuy or Matt tell us what´s the first stage dealt with and what will the second stage deal with too. Not to mention the third stage, of course ;-)
Um, you aren't going to be this silly now are you? You were talking about something that obviously was not an "update" weeks ago. A three stage update began about a week ago, and has about two more weeks to it. You want to stretch that all the way back a month before that! Sheesh, give it a rest will ya? Next you'll say the update started in February.
Google has flux every single day. Every day, whether you like it or not. Some flux is more significant than others. Big deal.
But just like before every update this year, which you would know if you paid attention to threads then too, Google has been throwing tons of stuff into the index before each update. This includes a lot of obvious spam, plus tons of supplementals. Some sites come back because of this, while others disappear because of the supplemental poison. The update culls out a lot of the spam, but the supplemental and/or canonical death is not dealt with.
Now back to reality. We have been told to expect an update this week, and further developments, specifically involving canonical stuff, next week or so.
Also noticed that Google no longers knows how to 'relate' (related:) my site to others. Has always been able to in the past (it's about four years old now).
Finally, noticed that it's trying to list the shopping basket script, dozens of times over! IE /cgi-bin/add.pl?action=add&access=productpage&product=799
And, suspect that proper affiliate links (eg through affiliatewindow) are being indexed and tracked. Pages with only such links on them are showing up in people's backlinks.
To me this looks like the "who's got the biggest one" competition with Yahoo finally back fired and they filled the index up with junk. Either that or they messed the crawl up.
[edited by: suggy at 7:37 am (utc) on Oct. 25, 2005]
I and others here saw the update happening at the begining of the
month. We were not allowed to call it an update then. The original
thread here was even locked for daring to mention it.
There were a number of result sets out there and the one I
was praying would not get rolled out did on the 17th.
Since then I have been in limbo, I can see some trends and
some possible reasons why my little old sites have been
blown away. Now the word is that the update is in three
parts, well OK so I am waiting..
I am also worried about modifying a site to avoid a
possible Google penalty/filter AND still rank correctly
on the other search engines which all seem more or
less fine at the moment...
Wait and see what happens in stage 2 and 3... I know...
better be good after all this!
[edited by: cleanup at 7:38 am (utc) on Oct. 25, 2005]
More specifically, I'm talking about a series of changes which were, as I said then, and still say now, clearly indicating a very interesting new direction in google's method, but which you felt were not even worth calling an update at that point. By the way, the changes haven't changed much, the first draft, the one most of us thought was an update, is what I'm looking at now, in slightly modified form, the stuff I called an update during the testing phase that is, and which you above still seem to have difficulty seeing as such.
However, since we all now agree that the update is an update, we're all happily back on the same page, just have to keep brushing those grains of salt off my keyboard.
I think you might take a closer look at how you are thinking about this stuff, it's not as tight as it usually is, something wrong? This isn't quite like you. Maybe a bad sample set, what is it, bad premises, looking for things that aren't there and missing what is?
oh, darn, cut my feet on some broken glass, have to watch that, ouch....
You know, I never write to forums (this is only my second post), which puts me in the majority - I watch and read and wait. It would be interesting to hear from Brett just how busy Webmasterworld has become since this latest Google update - it might give us an indication of the strength of feeling (misery?) out there.
Traffic wise slightly up last 3 days, but we added new content streams so might be due to that...nothing big.
But hopefully tonight we will see something...this should be the second stage...which I guess will be main serps one? The third being Dayo's pet subject.
I did note something odd happened the other night, for about 3 hours. Not sure what but it effected our status in Google News, so must have been something significant...but it went back to whatever it was before.
:) - Yes, I would assume if G are running on target then second stage tonight or tomorrow night.
Still not convinced stage 1 has reached all DCs - although it is hard to track as DCs always seem different to me.
Not sure if this all of what Jagger is all about, but I thought I post this as an observation.
i am prety frustrated on this updates... why? not because of google drop my site. its because of i am seeing MY OWN articles in four of the top ten results (ranked #4,5 and #7,8) for one of the money terms. NONE of these four results are from my site -- all four, yes, ALL FOUR are from a huge article collections site ...two of them got my permissions to use the contents, while for other two ...i dont even know they exist before this updates. further more, the new top result in this term, is a page that comes from a site with unrelated theme, that just simply put up some sales-copy type contents and affiliate links.
it seems that sites with large site sizes win it all in this updates. forget about unique contents, forget about link building, and forget about proper internal linking structure... all you need is just a site with 100k+ pages and keyword^rich link pointing to all your target-pages ..with this, you can rank in any keywords.
Thanks for listening my rant. if you are looking for your joke of the day, try type on "failure" into your google search box and press "i"m feeling lucky" - thats the BEST JOKE i ever seen this year.
For the benifit of further discussion and our new kind fellow members, I´m recalling the 3 most important Jagger Update posts of our good friends at the plex; Matt and GoogleGuy.
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msg #:40 new post indicator11:43 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (utc 0)
Just to recap:
- I currently expect new PR/backlinks to be visible in a few days. I'll let you know if that changes.
- madweb had an interesting observation in message #816 of this thread:
I believe that there is a new binary wending its way out from the group of data centers that included 66.102.7.x . Most people won't notice much difference between data centers, but I believe that those searches are likely to be closer to what to expect.
So just to set expectations, there will still be quite a bit of flux for people to expect near-term. We'll be setting up a way for people to pass us feedback.
And Matt Cutts - October 19, 2005
Finally, GoogleGuy posted yesterday or so that a new binary is also wending its way from data centers like 66.102.7.x. And I wouldn’t be surprised if a second stage of the index rolls out around this time next week. I also wouldn’t be surprised if a third stage of the index rolls out the week after that. I just wanted to let people know that there’s still flux to come.
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msg #:29 8:07 pm on Oct 20, 2005 (utc 0)
Dayo_UK, you're going to want to wait a couple weeks. The third stage of Jagger is the most likely to bring canonicalization changes. We're still in stage one at this point. If you still see issues after that, I'd let us know.
Awaiting more weather reports from Matt & GG. Thanks!
Archive Master - Reseller :-)
[edited by: reseller at 11:26 am (utc) on Oct. 25, 2005]
The update is still in progress but I wouldn't be too optimistic in seeing your sites make a sudden comeback. Google has changed the way they rank websites which means there is something about the dropped sites that G doesn't like.
Though I still hope people would find my 2 main WH sites when searching for the site name or the domain address in brackets. If I search for "www.mydomain.com" I get 8 results and my site is last. Even Matt Cutts' blog ranks above me just because I mentioned the url in my comment.
But hey, his site is PR7 and I'm only PR4...
Ok googleguy said we will first see real changes later, so I wait, here the 3 nov 2004. my site got hit, maybe it will be back after a YEAR.
One more think I think if they update there supplemental DB alot would have been done to there troubles.