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Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

     
5:33 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?
1:56 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just want to clarify the crud rising to the top and being skimmed off anology. I wasn't trying to sound all superior just that this is a technique used to produce pure metals and alloys: the oxides, impurities rise to the top of the liquified metal and this "crud" is skimmed off leaving the pure metal below. Googles seems to have the furnace on for a long time.
1:59 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's obovious that for some sites this update has been a complete disaster. One filter which was turned up has affected so many - that being duplicate content. It appears now that content is not in the least dated for originality, and that often the most recent "copy" is being credited as the original. I suggest to those of you that have been hit hard this update to check for duplicated content. It's a disaster out there...
2:02 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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G__gle's filters = Censorship! IMO
2:16 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"What have they directly helped any of you here with"

Unless you are a complete mallethead GoogleGuy's posts over the years have contained innumberable tips and concepts that should have been very helpful in a very direct, specific, concrete way.

2:21 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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jagger2 is great I reported all my competition for spam, yesterday and today they are all gone. How's that for service. Now I am the only relevant site on the first page.
All they had was some hidden text and links.
Cool.

Is google for real?
They are a joke

2:25 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>Unless you are a complete mallethead GoogleGuy's posts over the years have contained innumberable tips and concepts that should have been very helpful in a very direct, specific, concrete way.<

steveb, you are pathetic, go and kiss his _ss, same thing! IMO!

2:30 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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no, you misunderstand steve, he's just making a really funny joke, it almost made me spew my food all over the monitor when I read it it was so funny. I take it all back steve, I thought you were being serious, now I see that I just fell for a very sly in joke, but man, have mercy, I'm trying to concentrate here...
2:47 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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steveb:

the _ss got your tongue? LOL

2:59 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey guys, if you haven't read this 3-31 patent thing, read it now [appft1.uspto.gov]. If you have read it, reread it. Read it slow.

Just keep in mind that some stuff is very hard to do, but some stuff is very easy to do. The easy stuff is probably what we are looking at.

Lots of it is wishful thinking on g's part, but some of it isn't, and some of it I recognize from what I've seen so far, it looks and feels very familiar.

[edited by: 2by4 at 3:00 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]

3:00 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Poogle, are now in the business of censorship!

Jagger, smugger call it what you’d like, it looks like a one miserable search engine that has lost the plot slowly but surly sinking in it’s own weird and bug riddled algo.

The consequences of this so called “update” (algo gone wiled) are far reaching. A real knockout for millions of good quality sites. Keep up the great work poogle. The world’s webmaster communities are with you, NOT.

Keep misguiding us, keep abusing us....keep shooting your own foot. Whatever support you had from us, it is slowly but surly melting away.

3:04 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Help Google with spam. Gimme a break. I’m dealing with 500 of their crap Adsense scraper sites they don’t want to monitor. Send some of those millionaires over to help me. And then they clobber me with this ridiculous Jagger and raise prices in Adwords. I’d rather deal with a burglar. I get something out of the situation with insurance.
3:14 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dudes... Would you like some cheese and crackers with that whine? You aren't alone so suck it up already. We all got GOT! Let the truth set you free.

[edited by: Yippee at 3:23 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]

3:22 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The only thing that G__gle cares about is making the money terms impossible to get good rank, therefore sparking more PPC, with a stock price like that, how can they sustain any other way than pay services?

First of all it is annoying that you intentionally leave out the "o"s in google.

They don't care about any thing but the mighty $$$, plain and simple, if you people don't see this, you are blind!

They are a company. Their objective is to make money. If you think that is their ONLY goal, however, then you are likely both ignorant and naive.

Why else would they make the money terms hard to get?

Who says you deserve to get them? Once again we must deal with hubris where there might be 100s of thousand or even million pages on a particular subject and people feel their little page is worthy of being in the top 10. Why do you think your page deserves a top ranking above and beyond the thousands of other competitive pages? Google has many factors to deal with and the whole thing is complex. Who says they are making the money terms hard to get? The money terms are hard to get because lots of other people are also competing for them.

If your site is still ranked good, don't worry, it won't be shortly!

Yes. Some more excellent logic. All sites will soon be ranked low. It makes perfect sense in a zero-sum game. Impossible of course, but perfect sense.


All in my opinion of course!

But of course.

3:25 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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2by4 - About time someone heard me on the G's 3/31/2005 patent... Good luck getting the rest to listen.

[edited by: Yippee at 3:35 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]

3:30 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sorry it took me so long, you know, when that first came out certain seo sites, I won't name them, said this was a fake document. Even though I usually ignore everything those types say, that sort of slipped through the cracks and I didn't give it a very close look, still reading it now. For anyone else who wants to complain, I really recommend you read this thing, it's boring, but it's not hard reading.
3:40 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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following text on screen wiv me finger and the drool and all leaves marks ...so you'll have to read it for us and precis..
short words tho ...'s late..
and whisper ..don't wanna wake steveb ..nice dream 'ees avin..

if i ad the legs i could do "slim" in tiffanys..

really guv ..i could

3:42 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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SUI = SEO Under the Influence
3:45 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm probably going to get flamed for this,especially by those with a certain business/website revenue model, but....

If google wanted to make a serious dent in spam or the motivation for spam, they would eliminate Adsense!

Googles Adsense program created a huge motivation for spamming the search engines for top placement, it created a huge motivation for SEO competitiveness and it created a huge motivation for people to create websites that wouldn't have been created otherwise because the website didn't have a viable revenue model. Unfortunately, Google did create Adsense and now because they are themselve beholden to the revenue, they can not clearly get themselves away from the single biggest cause of spam in the last 3-4 years.

Personally, Jagger has not had much effect on us, but I know to others it has and if your website has nothing to do with Adsense and is all white hat, I sympathize with you.

At some point, Google will have to come to the realization that they are the creator of their own worst enemy.

4:01 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I couldn't agree more! Adsense was the worst dumbest concept fromt he get go! What could they have possibly been thinking.
4:02 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"At some point, Google will have to come to the realization that they are the creator of their own worst enemy."

Amen again, yah Adsense is good for small sites that need income but for the SEO spammers ---> AMEN! I agree, it is not good!

-H

4:02 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If google wanted to make a serious dent in spam or the motivation for spam, they would eliminate Adsense!

I agree 100% How true that AdSense has basically encouraged SPAM to the fullest extent!

Kinda hard to understand why Google wants SPAM out of their index when they are pretty much the ones that started it!


I couldn't agree more! Adsense was the worst dumbest concept fromt he get go! What could they have possibly been thinking.

They were only thinking $$$$. Realistically do any of you really think Google cares about SPAM?! They ENGINEERED it for hells sake!

4:06 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree with Ledfish in that G has become it's own biggest enemy. Whether it's Adsense or not is another issue. When you have a framework that not only generates billions in revenue, but also millions in profit, I would argue that is the culprit. Like a fellow poster said a few posts ago, G is a business that's out to make money. They create the fire and then it becomes damage control. Revenues/profits dictate the road to success from there on no matter who is in the way. I think this concept is better known as politics. You know the rest.

[edited by: Yippee at 4:16 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]

4:12 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)



>> I couldn't agree more! Adsense was the worst dumbest concept fromt he get go!

sure it is. Have you checked their stock price lately?

4:26 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Goodle Guy,

Is Google going to do anything soon about the 302 redirects being applied to the target site? I manage over 30 client sites and they are constantly getting hijacked. My clients and I have to spend toooo much time chasing them down and about 1/2 the time the owner/host refuses to respond. The old email for webmaster@google ... canonical url doesn't work any more either. Is there somewhere we can report these?

4:30 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have heard from another person who says they have a page with adsense and it has INCREASED their pageviews? Does google reward people who participate in the adsense program? I wouldn't believe so but can never be to sure from what this guy said.
4:38 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The Florida update was 2 years ago. At that time people were moaning and groaning about the end of Google, how Google is over, how all of their friends are stopping using it because the SERPs suck so bad, etc. etc. etc.

How has Google done in the past two years?

Childish sour grapes is nothing but childish sour grapes. Google is king. If you want to make money give Google what it wants. If you can't figure out what Google wants, then either get into another business or build your business without Google. But don't #*$! and whine about it either way.

4:52 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Adsense is not the enemy and if G quit doing it someone else would be right behind them to take their place. At least G has some clout to keep control over quality of sites using adsense, should they ever decide to use it.

That's the issue. G doesn't seem reponsive in cleaning up bad adsense sites. I remember I was shocked when adsense first came out that I could just cut and paste the code and it was live. I couldn't believe there wasn't any reveiw. Well the all automated method of adsense has made them a lot of money, but it's also created a lot of headaches for them in dealing with spam in the SERPs.

Adsense is a good thing. G just needs to hire an adsense sheriff to clean up the lawlessnes.

4:58 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Some how, I don't feel like google is sending me a blanket for christmas this year like they did a few years ago. They could care less about everyone now.
5:06 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That's the issue. G doesn't seem reponsive in cleaning up bad adsense sites. I remember I was shocked when adsense first came out that I could just cut and paste the code and it was live. I couldn't believe there wasn't any reveiw. Well the all automated method of adsense has made them a lot of money, but it's also created a lot of headaches for them in dealing with spam in the SERPs.

Quite ironic that Adwords sites have to be reviewed first but not Adsense?! Hmmm...Sour Grapes!? YES...Sour Grapes! Do as I say, not as I do!

Help Google combat SPAM!? How about Google combat their own damn SPAM! Let us find it for them?! Laugh! Review all of your Adsense sites Google and if their not a legitimate site cut them off! 90% of the SPAM is Adsense sites!

5:24 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just comparing a few top results between Yahoo and Google in one search I monitor

(Product Company Country)

Google had a 3 out of 10 actual relevance. Some sites were so far off the mark it is not funny. One site (mine is the only on with all the key words in the title tag in the top 10.) Also 1 site ( mine again )only had 2 of the key words. Most just the country nothing about the product or the word company.

So am being to wonder about the title tag and how much weight it has in the Jagger 2 algo?

Yahoo had 9 out of 10 relevance, 5 sites that had the complete key words in the title tag. 7 that had at least 2 key words.

I think that Jagger 3 may have a few more changes in store than we suspect. As I am sure that Google Does wants to deliver relevance. It HAS to do something as from what I see results are really compromised in some areas.

I was talking to a non webmaster client and they had actually noticed. After Jagger if Google doesn't sort it self out . I will still optimise for Google,( crazy not to at present) But take up Bretts suggestion and search with Pure Search [search.positiontech.com]for myself.

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