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Mack.
DeepSearch says PR update within 48hrs.
ps: Don't miss Matt at PubCon [pubcon.com] where I am sure we will be talking about update Jagger...
Nice one Brett. :)
The name is:
Update Jagger
I like it. As good as Bacon Polenta :-)
Re some stuff in the closed thread:
"<div id="Layer1" style="position:absolute; left:205px; top:156px; width:16px; height:16px; z-index:-1; overflow: auto;">"
I was virtually positive that google wasn't processing css library files, now it looks like they are likewise unable to process reasonably clever onpage css, notice no triggers here, not hidden, not display none, not negative positioning, off view window, just small. Not bad actually, now we know, google cannot interpret most css, unless it's really really obvious. That's from the site mentioned earlier, car wraps etc.
I'm seeing little or no changes in the serps that are changed [what is being named 'update jagger' now], same as they were testing a week ago, same as went live yesterday, if google is testing something, and they turn it off and on, then finally release it system wide, I'd call that an update, even though following the strict interpretation, which no longer really applies, none of these things are updates, they are just adjustments of the dial, quote unquote. Note steveb, I didn't say that Matt C etc did, the dial is new, updates are old. Updates are a physical change or addition to the algo, thus the term : update, whereas what we're seeing now is an adjustment of a setting/s.
Since it doesn't matter what we call it, why not just call it an update and leave it at that, everyone whose sites have been affected know they are affected, people whose sites haven't been affected can provide quite valuable comparisons to try to determine just what this change actually looked for, trustrank is what I'm seeing, high trustrank sites, no change, low trustrank, change. Spammy sites can have high trust rank, I see a few, but they did some stuff over the last year that made that happen.
Also a rolling stone gathers no moss, much like an everflux search engine...in theory.
I won't mention satisfaction, mars bars or neocons.
I am hopeful of further changes over the next few days. I have a funny feeling our site will see a lot of pagerank increases...though that would be at odds with traffic decreasing and with the whole visible PR reflect changes that are already in place...be interesting few days.
[edited by: FattyB at 10:14 pm (utc) on Oct. 18, 2005]
why did my mind immediately link the Stones to the word "Supplemental"
Instead of the Stones playing Las vegas, Google is lobbying to have a cache of a 1974 performance played...
I'd guess because you're spending too much time thinking about that term, try as I might, I couldn't come up with any workable relation between the stones and supplemental, and I actually tried. I don't see much point in worrying about what is just a side affect of a bigger change, that's all that makes that interesting. The bigger change, that's much more interesting, all those dials, it's like a new toy, let's play with it, no? [note: new meaning 1 year old or less]
[edited by: 2by4 at 10:23 pm (utc) on Oct. 18, 2005]
I vote to make that B#*$!x Pxxxxxx automatically next time one enters it here.
high trustrank sites, no change, low trustrank, change.
I almost agree with your 2x4. Except I'd say high trust rank sites went up, instead of no change.
Steveb - maybe it should be cald supplemental update, because I have seen more of those.
It's good to see someone else finding the same thing though. On sites that seem to be benefitting from this improvement, traffic has been inching up all last week, this weekend, slowly but surely, higher and higher, but not overwhelming, just what you'd expect from an improved trust rank rating, little boosts here and there, some big boosts.
Zeus, if I only had one group of sites I do, let's call it niche x, y, and z, I would see no change at all. Well, no, that's not true, I see some moves up in almost all of them, but they aren't that major.
However, once I add topic z to the mix, that's a competitive, hilltop type thing, lots of adwords etc, I see really big changes, things have been rolling around there for a month or so, but it finally all kicked into place. Big drops.
[edited by: 2by4 at 10:29 pm (utc) on Oct. 18, 2005]
Matt's Googlebombing. ;)
- The era of the mom-and-pop shop with a quality website ranking-well is over -- unless it can afford a swath of links across high TR pages. Bottom line as it appears to me: The rich get richer and the barrier to entry much higher.
- If the subjective seed is n-links away, isn't a poorly selected seed's detrimental effect that much greater when it finally reaches the SERPs?
supplemental results,
hijacking,
302 link bug,
301 issue
and the extreme dublicated filter.
So what if affiliates fail, who cares? I don't.
zeus, Matt C has clearly said that the idea of an update perse where things get 'fixed' is not where it's at, it's tweaking of dials, everflux, updates that are not updates, etc. However, within that central machine the bugs have to get fixed, that's for sure, I've found some pretty serious ones, others have found more, so that's another question altogether.
I'm sure that will happen though in the next year, but I really doubt it will be called an update, supplementals will just one day vanish, 301, well, they work fine as long as you don't try 301ing a phantom image of a phantom page, I've had nothing but success with massive 301 projects, so I'm not going to ask it to be fixed when I think it works really well. Now if you try to 301 a ghost, it won't do much I'd say.
Hijacking will be interesting, that's for sure, we'll see how that goes, it's complicated though I think.
But my real hope is that google managed to automate directory spam detection, drop all credit for all directory spam links, that more than anything else will help the mom and pop shops who are actually trying to build a real web presence, long term, they won't have to compete with those guys who build 10s, 100s of thousands of backlinks at a button click, that's the number one problem I see on the web today, and I think it's a major issue at google currently, or it should be.
[edited by: 2by4 at 10:38 pm (utc) on Oct. 18, 2005]
Not by a longshot.
A site which did not have any troubles or a whole new site will see there 301 work within 3 weeks, thats correct.
Sort of like making Windows secure for example, easier said than done. Not to say the google OS/application layer is as bad as Windows of course.
301s I'm seeing work within days, no matter what the scale, full correction though as you noted in under 3 weeks, it really impresses me.
>>The era of the mom-and-pop shop with a quality website ranking-well is overNot by a longshot.
I should've qualified my statement further by adding:
- for competitive terms
- starting from now
I've seen an home-grown shopping comparison engine just as good or better than the major engines that occupy the top spots. I don't think they have a chance in heck to rank on the 1st page for 'shopping' unless they receive the same amount of legacy links which have had the benefit of time to accumulate. Hence my quips.
By the way, type in 'shopping' and the 6th result on the 1st page is a government statistical agency. Doh!
I wonder if I will be singing "I Can't Get No, Satisfaction" or "Jumping Jack Flash" :)
