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My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
>In fact from what I'm seeing, lots of INTERNAL links are good. It's links to pages OUTSIDE the domain that are of concern! And then ONLY IF they overwhelm the number of internal links. Read the posts carefully, before you screw up your site, people! :)<
Agree. exactly.
And here is reseller equation:
Number of outbound links (OL)/Number of internal links (IL) MUST be either equal to one or less than one. I.e
OL/IL =< 1
Do you agree on that one?
>Reseller, for some reason the 301 redirects keep popping up as a factor occassionally too. Keep that in mind when you're investigating. Pages which were recently moved and 301 redirected to seem to have more chance of being dumped. Sorta like they're discounting those links behind the 301. Hopefully just a temporary thing.<
Friends here have been talking about the importance of 301 redirect non-www to www. Donīt know about 301 redirect pages.
>Also on sites with a lot of dumped pages, the ordering of site:domain.com results is all screwed up.<
Yes.. that has been mentioned either in this thread or on another thread.
Google needs to restore the back up before this update and reconsider why their new algo is so messed up - whatever they were trying it has clearly failed. Even a company as big as Google can admit once in a while that they made a mistake.
Some of the sites now showing up in a keyword i used to rank well for, are very tastless and not the type of sites you would expect from a business term ( adult orientated, spammy ).
If this update is so big that we are only part through and everything will settle when complete - Google should atleast make a public announcement to let businesses know that Google is aware that their search results are not excurate currently due to an update that will take several days to clear.. or something to that effect.
If the engineers at Google think this update is better and more relavant then Google directors should be advertising for new staff.
If Google think that its ok that a few innocent websites get hit in this new penalisation algo that knowone understands - then they are wrong. Google has been made from viral marketing and can be brought down with viral marketing.
When was the last time a website had so much bad viral marketing so quickly?
I can't think of any.
In fact.. lets be honest.. Google is broken and might not be repairable.
Atleast there is Yahoo and the emergin MSN.
Google is messed up, not you.
Just a note, my adsense revenue today is the worst in 6 months, and I've added pages, content and done lots of work on it thinking I would reap the benefits of being a solid resource.
Guess not...
Only two nights ago the results were pure, full of content related sites, it was a delight - they had finally cracked it.
After Friday midnight they switched over to an entire index of junk - i could scream, the results are so dire, what a dam waste of what has previously been a dam good search engine.
I dont think anyone here can claim that what we currently see is anywhere near remotely usefull to any one searching.
Its one thing a site not showing, its another when cr@p directory sites, non relevent sites and other junk feature above quality content sites.
In my sector, i kid you not, 3 sites that supply a service to websites that relate to the search term feature above sites that are dedicated to the search term - how can that be right?
I think google have forgot the end user. If the end user gets poor results like these and cant find anything but a directory telling them about more sites to try, or a doorway page site, or non relevent content, its just a matter of time before they give using google full stop in favour of Yahoo and MSN.
This is the worst set of results ive ever seen in google
Lets look at the facts...
1) Good sites beind droped from index
2) Strange / odd / poor quality sites showing in index
3) Some sites not effected
4) Update keeps on changing... its been over a week now
5) Pagerank was recently updated and now it is completely gone worldwide
6) Googles cache server is now down
Excuse me if i might be wrong, but all of the above points to one thing knowone has mentioned.
A virus.
Perhaps googles datacenters have been infected with a computer virus that has wiped out everything that was good about the algo?
>Perhaps googles datacenters have been infected with a computer virus that has wiped out everything that was good about the algo?<
All what is happening now is only continuation of what have started already on 3rd Feb 2005 (allegra update) and continued on 23rd March. Bourbon is just finishing the job for allegra.
250 pages with 60 left in Google - all penalized severly.
One adsense block on each of the 250 pages - large adsense revenue (was) and large adwords spending
Most pages that are missing were those with <300 words.
One page that is still indexed is my outbound links page with about 30 outbounds.
Very bloated HTML associated with top of page and left/right navigation.
I have a split sitemap that is divided fairly evenly into 3 pages and only the 1st one remains in index.
Site in DMOZ but has just been removed from Google's Directory.
I don't do any 301 redirects for www/non-www but all pages are listed as www in site command.
Essentially no ranking in G for any keywords - about zero G visitors (down from about 5000/day).
Visitors find it easy to find my site based on "The Company Name" only because there are 3000 results pointing to me based on exact name.
In Yahoo often 2 of the top 5 for many hundreds of keyword phrases - about 100 yahoo visitors per day.
As many as 15000 scraper sites pointing to me using various methods.
Site started Oct 2001
PR 4 site (was anyway)
Home page removed in Feb via the URL-Removal tool disaster (maybe the cause of all problems)
what, wreck the results all together?.
Come on. If anyone at google thinks the results UK today are an improvement they must have a screw loose. They are currently dire - worst ever.
I think the virus idea could be possible. I mean the results were perfect Friday. Then after midnight they went pear shapped. Page rank missing, cashed pages not loading, serps producing irrelevent results - its possible.
No engineer in their right mind would like the look of these results so maybe they do have a virus problem
>reseller,
what, wreck the results all together?.
Come on. If anyone at google thinks the results UK today are an improvement they must have a screw loose. They are currently dire - worst ever.<
They are still testing algos, I guess. What you see isnīt the final result.
>I think the virus idea could be possible. I mean the results were perfect Friday. Then after midnight they went pear shapped. Page rank missing, cashed pages not loading, serps producing irrelevent results - its possible.<
You talk about "perfect results" on friday til after midnight. Right?
Here is what I wrote on Thursday:
msg #:542
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I think that the folks at Google are just doing "Damage Assessment" at present before launching their final attack, maybe already tonight or tomorrow.
From what I see, they have been targeting, among other things, sites related to affiliate program marketing. However, the current serps illustrate that they havenīt been that successful in doing that.
And thats exactly what happened, right?
>No engineer in their right mind would like the look of these results so maybe they do have a virus problem <
Google look at the serps in a very different manner than you and I do. Their eyes are focused on $$$$$$. Therefore!
