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My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
Just several? What's the density like. What about internal links?
I'm studying two that I have like this as well to see the differences.
The first has over 20 external links, but it also has about 10 pages of plain text.
The other I'm way more stumped about. It's a directory page for a section of our site of just maps. It has 1 Adsense leadboard, almost NO non-anchor text, 7 Amazon links for related books, 8 other external links to our own other related domains as well as related advertisers, and only 6 links to pages on the same domain (some of them just jpgs). Yet it is still maintaining it's long-term ranking of #2 for it's 6,250,000 result keywords. It IS a much older domain (around 8 years old) than the affected ones. Perhaps they are taking that into account as well since scraper sites are a relatively new phenomena, and thus they are excusing any sites over, say, 3-4 years old.
I also have a relatively new one with an Adsense skyscraper ad, which has about 50 links on the page but they ALL go to internal pages. It ranks #2 under it's 800,000 result keyword. But it fits the rule ok because ALL the links are internal.
And BTW my suggestion of a few days ago that making minor changes to a dropped page may improve ranking due to freshness, seems to hold no water at this point. I see newly changed and cached pages still ranking where they were.
[edited by: steveb at 10:53 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
>"several outbound links"
Just several? What's the density like. What about internal links? <
There are around 40 outbound links with one line description text each, 80+ internal links, file size 39 K, since 1997 or 1998.
Something not related to your post :-)
While our good friend GG is enjoying the company of his sweetie somewhere around Redondo Beach Marina (maybe), we are all sitting here evaluating the effects of Bourbon in the company of a very fat lady who keep dancing and refuse to sing.
Typically should be BAD, however:
"80+ internal links, file size 39 K, since 1997 or 1998. "
All these appear to be pluses from what I've been seeing. I'm wondering if it is a factor of the ratio of internal vs outgoing links? in your case you have twice as many internal as ext. Also the fact that it is over 7 years old may just exclude it altogether.
Also on an unrelated observation.
They seem to have done something about EXACT matches on titles! say I have a page entitled: a b c d e f g
If I search on "a b c d" (no quotes) I come up first. If I type "a b c d f g" or "f g c d a b" (no quotes) I come up on the first page somewhere, but if I search for the whole title exactly "a b c d e f g" (quotes OR no quotes) I'm nowhere in the first 10 pages! More scraper site pegging? Possibly.
>PR update started :)<
Correct, but I see only grey PR bar.
Hi EFV, I was referring to your comments about how one "well developed" page, meaning lots of outgoing links was doing poorly, but that a new, less developed page (with fewer links) was doing better than it.
No, I was talking about hotel pages with affiliate links--one batch of pages for a major and long-established section of my site, and another batch of pages for a less important section of the site. The pages from the long-established section (City1) were buried in the SERPs, while the pages from less-established section (City2, a more competitive city at that) were doing very well. That seemed odd, because I can legitimately claim to be an "authority site" for City1 (indeed, PC MAGAZINE has said so) but not yet for City2. So why would the rankings be the opposite of what one might legitimately expect?
The same thing seems to be happening consistently. If you disproportionately link a lot of different, off-site pages, more than your own internal pages, you look a little like a scraper site and get a little penalized (with some exceptions apparently, like if you're over 4 yrs old). Throw in Adsense ads on the pages to boot and it appears to be a sure kill.
Right now, over here, we are trying to decide whether to get rid of Adsense or find an alternate way of linking or getting rid of all of our hundreds of paying clients.... Adsense is quickly losing out in the discussion, especially since our earnings from them are now down 60% and less than we're making from the other sources.
[edited by: MikeNoLastName at 11:55 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
