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Google Update Bourbon Part 3

         

Sweet Cognac

8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

RichTC

3:33 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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66.249.85.104

same as what we currently have in the uk - no change

They just need to remove what they applied after midnight Friday and the problem is resolved!

Dayo_UK

3:36 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



Reseller.

True - the result you are looking at does seem to be moving accross dcs.

I dont think it is necessarily the dcs algo that is moving. Just that result? Site? result set? If so then good for you :)

reseller

3:40 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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RichTC

>66.249.85.104

same as what we currently have in the uk - no change<

What do you see on the other DCs, when you run the same keyword/keyphrase? Do most of the DCs look like your present google uk or 66.249.85.104?

reseller

3:46 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

>Reseller.

True - the result you are looking at does seem to be moving accross dcs.

I dont think it is necessarily the dcs algo that is moving. Just that result? Site? result set? If so then good for you :)<

Thanks. Still too early to draw any conclusion.

BTW, do you have the phone number of the fat lady handy ;-)

HostingDirectory

3:55 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I tried to create a thread on this but it would not let me...

So...

We all know a lot of sites have been dropped from Google but we don't know why. Perhaps this update has a long way to go, perhaps it has not. If it is finished we need to find out why we got dropped from the index.
I have assembled a check list that i feel covers all the angles. If sites dropped could fill in the checklist we might see a pattern occur. Then we can work out what we might need to change to get back in.
My checklist is below, some of the points are explained why it might be a factor.

1) Site size
It is reasonable to believe that a homepage that size is too large, will have too many people click away so may loose relevancy to show in the top results.
2) Outbound links
How many do you have on your homepage?
3) Inbound links
How many does your site have?
4) Adsense
Since it may connect innocent sites with scraper sites.. do you use it?
5) Content updated regular?
Some sites do not have content updated too much because they offer tools over info, but Google may consider sites with rare content updates to be poor quality and drop positions for them.
6) Adwords
Do you use paid advertising like adwords, maybe loosing some places will make you pay more or perhaps Google protects their paying clients?
7) Age of site?
How old is your site, perhaps older sites are likely to be better because they survived... so Google keeps them listed high?
8) Use of no follow tags on forums?
If you offer forums or blogs, do you use the no follow tag? Maybe we need to stop bad sites linking inside our sites?
9) Location of host sever
Maybe our host location plays a part in how high we rank to certain users?
10) Dedicated or shared hosts?
Are we being punished for what other sites do in a shared hosting enviroment?
11) Redirects?
Do you use any kind of redirects that Google may be having trouble with?
12) Scrapper sites linking to you / content theft?
Do you have lots of scrapper sites suddently linking to you or using parts of your content.
13) Are you listed in dmoz?
Perhaps Google pays more respect to dmoz listed sites?
14) Listed in Yahoo directory?
Perhaps Google doesnt want Yahoo directory pages to be listed high or maybe it does prefer them linking high?
15) RSS feeds on site?
Using rss feeds might be causing some kind of duplicate content penalty?
16) Pagerank ( before it dissapeared )
What was your pagerank.. maybe a high pagerank gets immune to any penalisations?
17) Extra domains pointing to main domain?
Do you have other domains pointing to your main domain that might be causing problems in Googles eyes?
18) Search engine friendly archives producing same content on different urls inside site?
Some forums like vbulletin have a search engine archive that produces the same content with a static html url.. maybe this might be picked up as duplicate content?
19) Did you bother taking LSI into consideration with onpage content?
Basically it seems Goolge is now using Latent Semantic Indexing in search results - so a search for zoo trips may look at page content and realise that zoo , wildlife and trips are related. So search results could give you wildlife trips for the term zoo trips.

It's a long list but if we all fill it in, we could then put the results in excel and compare them.. maybe see a pattern that all sites dropped might have. Then we can test that pattern aganst sites will did not get dropped.

Might be useful.

Clint

3:59 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



Clint
>So where abouts are you located? Hopefully that's a Google IP far outside my region!<

Denmark!


Well hello to Denmark. :) Well then I guess that's good, I'm in USA.

Clint

4:03 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)



this might not sound like news - but I'm seeing 0% change in serps over the last 24 hours.
across about 100 different terms - nothing has moved even one position. never seen this before - something always moves a little.

think between this and the pagerank being offline - something big might be up...


FWIW, I've been seeing changes in search results today. (Using Google.com in USA).

reseller

4:11 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Clint

>Well hello to Denmark. :) Well then I guess that's good, I'm in USA.<

Thanks. Then you are going there, of course. Word on the street say that Brett shall give a "Bourbon" free of charge to all those who contribute to this thread and attend the conference ;-)

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spaceylacie

4:56 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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HostingDirectory, thanks for the post. I'm going to meet the Google Guys in New Orleans and I'm writing down questions for them, your list helps a lot, I printed it.

I've seen small changes in serps with my sites, yesterday and today, since the main Bourbon update. Some of my main keywords have dropped from #1 to #2. My most sought after is still #1 though. I'm still wondering how, in New Orleans, they(main conference) will be able to tell me how to increase my rankings. I want to interrogate the Google Guys, they seem to be the ones determining my serps.

Brett, please, no Bourbon for me, dark liquor makes me crazy.

Critter

5:25 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Two bourbons for Lacie!
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