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Google's toolbar not showing PR anymore?

     
11:34 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone else see the toolbar greyed out for all sites? I'm not getting anything.
8:57 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ya google now can finally retire their domain name textlinkbrokers as their official snitch line to sell pr as a subsidary for adwords and adsense.

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9:03 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok - if pr goes then lots of companies are going to face difficulty and staff may be effected.

Although PR selling is a bit shady you have got to feel sorry for staff of these companies who are only doing a job.

But that is a big if

I still think there is more than meets the eye to all this - and the Bourbon update.

But it would still be nice for it to be known either way so that companies can start acting for the best interest of their staff.

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I doubt there are a lot of real companies selling PR that actually have a staff. PR is not a factor of success on the web. For a long time now, it's been a very general grading for a web page.

Because PR has little to do with tha ability to sell on the web, a company would have a hard time growing a business that sells PR. Sure, they can find suckers to buy the service - but once the suckers realize PR is not the key to beating the competition, they move on.

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I'm still hoping that this is a new way of a PR update....
Fixing a problem would have been done in less than three days. But updating might take longer.

Just hoping.

9:51 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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they probably figured out a way for them to get paid for pagerank instead of webmasters
9:53 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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From quite some time i was observing there is no effect of pagerank in SERP'S. A Site/Page with less page rank is ranking higher than a site with Good Page Rank. This must be an indicator to say that Page Rank dosen't exist, or it is invisible now. Any one with similar experiences?
10:00 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As a web user I almost rely on it, and I like it.

Google: "Give it back"

10:04 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think that quality backlinks would still be a good and important enough factor in Google serp's, so the companies wont be affected that much

Gaining quuality theme based links would still be going whether page rank or no page rank

10:09 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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From quite some time i was observing there is no effect of pagerank in SERP'S. A Site/Page with less page rank is ranking higher than a site with Good Page Rank. This must be an indicator to say that Page Rank dosen't exist, or it is invisible now. Any one with similar experiences?

PR shows how well linked the page is, and SERP depends on the given keyword and the content of the site that matches that keyword most closely.

10:13 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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they probably figured out a way for them to get paid for pagerank instead of webmasters

come on - that would be corruption, like a professor selling test questions.

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For the sake of all those who built up thier business upon buying and selling links based on PR, I hope the green-o-meter is re-instated soon.

For the sake of cleaning up the SERPS I say do away with it.

For that sake of an SEO bring it back with a degree of accuracy.

For the sake of Joe surfer....at least we wouldn't have to explain what the green-o-meter actually represents :)

10:14 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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heheh... they already sell search results... only they're on the right side of the screen
10:15 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I totally agree with "webnoob", a quality site does not needs page rank to rank

i have seen many pr 0 or 1 sites rank well over page rank 7 and 8 sites

10:31 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yaa thats Tru sunny_kat
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Thanks "osujit"

I am myself a Search Engine Optimizer and i have optimized many sites in the past which has PR between 0 and 3 and their competitors had page rank of 6 and above

I just made quality backlinks for those site rather than really caring for the page rank of the links page

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maybe is time for other search engines (Yahoo , MSN) make their move and bring us something like google pr toolbar i will move to them for sure!
10:48 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am also sure that Yahoo and MSN would try to move a step further now!
10:55 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Whether PR comesback or not, it will play an important role in returning the results.

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[edited by: tedster at 4:08 pm (utc) on May 30, 2005]

10:58 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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yaa even i saw the same...some of my sites is having pr 4 n 5 bur they are still behind... with the sites which are the new one[My Other Sites] n having 0 and 1 PR for the same keyword..... only because of content Richness.... so do not worrr for PR :)
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Let it die a qucik death...and take all the PR sellers with it.

Without the little green bar, perhaps all the geniuses who based their businesses on selling links form sites with "PRX" will now have to actually use something more concrete - like actual traffic statistics.

I wonder how much sleep the text link /PR brokers have gotten this weekend. What a shame....

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I don't think we should really be focusing on the "specifics" of what to do next. (ie. hoping that someone else like Yahoo or MSN develops a PageRank clone).

In my mind, we need to recognize this as a reminder that effective, long-term marketing (the only kind that's actually helpful in most cases) is based on fairly simple principles: relevance, targeted demographic reach and of course, ROI.

Google's algo may have been a PART of that strategy, but it should certainly not be the lifeblood of internet marketing.

Besides, Google has been so busy trying to re-invent itself for a variety of reasons (seo manipulation, trying to appease investors, continually updating adsense/adwords to improve performance, etc.) that it's actual performance as a SEARCH engine has suffered.

Personally, I find Yahoo Search, and sometimes even MSN search far more accurate and relevent for most queries.

That alone should flare up red flags all over the place. Sure Google is "god" now... but even Google will not survive if it doesn't do it's job.

Just a few thoughts...

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I, just like many other webmasters on this forum, know that PR is not a big concern anymore, so doing away with it wouldn't be a big loss for me.

But considering that half of the webmasters that have bought links for me are now saying I'm banned and they won't buy links from me again don't know squat about PR and it's effects on SERP's, I'm begging to freak out a little bit!

I am willing to bet that for every webmaster that knows this is not the end of the Internet, 10 others will start scraching their eyeballs out thinking they have been banned and won't get a paycheck next month.

Although my sites aren't big shots, I wouldn't mind a little bit of courtesy from Google telling us what is going on (you know, from one net business to another).


Let it die a qucik death...and take all the PR sellers with it.

I don't sell links for their PR value, but many webmasters buy them just for that! I actually base my price on the number of unique views a certain page gets - and I think many good webmasters do the same. After all this is the logical thing to do from my point of view.

[edited by: cflorin at 11:12 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]

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I think it's a good news. The main impact of it probably is the affect of those selling pr values.

The most advantage of it is to destroy of 'fake' authority and hierarchy. Every site is born to be equal. No PR values would make for changing links easier than before. This would send webmasters back to focus on construction of their own websites.

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Something is going on with caches as well
Since a few days I noticed that cache dated from the day before are reversed to cache dated up to a week back in time.

Did you notice it?

11:30 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes henry0 it is from 28th its not

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Lots of strange things are going on at the moment.

I have had pages crawled on the 20th that no longer appear in the index....(Ok- pages come and go and I should expand on this but going out now)

Its all a bit weird

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 11:34 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]

11:34 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I used to care about PR, but ever since I realized that the lower our PageRank got the higher our site rose in the SERPS, I haven't cared about the "little green bar" at all.

Although it is a little disconcerting to think about all our visitors who have the toolbar installed to suddenly think something has gone drastically wrong with our site and it's no longer any good...

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I don't sell links for their PR value, but many webmasters buy them just for that! I actually base my price on the number of unique views a certain page gets - and I think many good webmasters do the same. After all this is the logical thing to do from my point of view.

likewise, i sell advertising space which some advertisers choose to put textlinks in, obviously they are after the pr aswell as the traffic i send them, it would annoy me if they left just because pr has gone and imagine if PR really has gone then i will lose some, but as i said i send them lots of traffic they are getting a good ROI, the sensible ones will stay (i hope :( )

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I think that alexa.com will take this advantage to promote their toolbar what you think?!
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Alex is one of the best tool for traffic analysis of a website and i personally dont think that they would get into this page rank stuff as this more important for Search engines to do so
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