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Toolbar greyed for all sites?

Google's toolbar not showing PR anymore?

   
11:34 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone else see the toolbar greyed out for all sites? I'm not getting anything.
3:26 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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the death of displayed PR will only give rise to an industry of seo snakeoil salesmen that will dwarf the link merchants.
They are already out there, and were there before the toolbar was invented.

You all managed before the toolbar and you will manage without it, get a grip on yourselves, stop being toolbar junkies.

3:34 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm running Firefox, and installed a toolbar extensions. Like others, I'm seeing Google PR greyed out now.
I don't know how the G-PR bar actually works, but doesn't the extension or toolbar have to make a
SEPARATE inquiry to G to get the data?
If so, then maybe all those extra queries put too much of an extra load on their servers / bandwidth.

Since there's no obvious payback, cutting out toolbar PR might just be a simple cost / bandwidth saving
stragegem. Their internal (real) pagerank would remain in place, subject to algorithm tweeks,
and hidden from all in any case. Any thoughts on that? -Larry

I doubt this theory. This is Google we are talking about. Not a moms & pops site...Google has datacenters and extremely good load balancing. They serve billions of search request, I can't see them having a problem with PR request or bandwidth.

I really find it hard to believe that Google would drop PageRank without making a MAJOR announcement to go along with it. I'm actually a little surprised that so many WebmasterWorld members are speculating this is what happened.
Google is a public company now ... they don't go making major changes to their system without a press release. Millions use the Google toolbar, not just webmasters, so it's highly unlikely that PageRank would be phased out of the toolbar without an announcement. Besides, many of us in this forum are Google shareholders and if Google had planned to drop PR we would know about it. This is a temporary situation or an upgrade, not an elimination.

Also keep in mind that Google still has numerous references to PageRank on their site, including the "PageRank Explained" information on google.com/technology. If they were doing away with it, that page wouldn't be there anymore.

This is not a major change for Google or its investors. Google does not profit from PR. This is a major change for many webmasters and SEO's because this is how some prove that their site is popular and well-liked by Google. Many shady and questionable webmasters/SEO's profit from Google PR, which is a violation of Google terms. Google has long become frustrated with these attempts by webmasters/SEO's and possibly simply realized that PR is not a neccessity and never has been, therefore disabling it will be for the good. It was only meant to be informational and not profitable as some has made it. Since Google does not profit from it, then it does not have to be a decision which needs to be commented on or a decision which needs to be voted on by shareholders. The change is rather small in Google's overall enterprise, probably not even a departmental change.

3:56 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<quote>why would they need to inform anyone. It's a minor feature. PR in it'self is major, but displaying it is not. The display has been no more than a toy for at least a year. Personaly I would be glad if it where to go. But like most in this thread I belive it is either a glitch or some form of rework/improvement.
Mack. </quote>

They wouldn't need to, but common curtesy would be expected don't you think? Which makes me wonder if some thing else is not under way.

4:08 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I really find it hard to believe that Google would drop PageRank without making a MAJOR announcement to go along with it. I'm actually a little surprised that so many WebmasterWorld members are speculating this is what happened.

Google is a public company now ... they don't go making major changes to their system without a press release. Millions use the Google toolbar, not just webmasters, so it's highly unlikely that PageRank would be phased out of the toolbar without an announcement. Besides, many of us in this forum are Google shareholders and if Google had planned to drop PR we would know about it. This is a temporary situation or an upgrade, not an elimination.

I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as most of you here when it comes to seo (etc) but ^^that^^ quote makes sense. Even if it has nothing to do with money it's stupid to not give the webmaster world a heads up on the situation. You guys are their lifeblood. It's not very nice if they didn't tell you and let you prepare.

I mean this IS a major weekend for most people to have a big party, cook some ribs among friends, thank a fellow veteran or go camping. NOT sit at their computers and speculate.

You’d think that it's going to be a major upgrade for this very reason. Half of you should be at the lake, not behind your computer stressing.

Unfortunately any time is a bad time for most of you so when else are they supposed to a possible upgrade?

Have a beer and enjoy monday. If PR goes away for good then you'll adapt.

[edited by: Woz at 4:57 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]
[edit reason] Tidying up. [/edit]

4:37 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PR gone, Internet might actually shrink by the end of the year.

Gone are those freebie tools.

Losers
High PR selling sites
Buy/Sell text link type companies
All those SEOs who think PR is everything
SEOs who might have to deliver something for a change instead of PR
Link building schemes based on PR
Spam
Free tools (counters..etc)
Google Toolbar

Winners
Real SEO
Google SERP
Regular Webmaster
Webmaster World

I hope PR goes for good.
Wemasters might actually start learning and developing instead of pursuing some green bar.

4:56 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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11:08 pm on May 29, 2005 (utc -5)

I really find it hard to believe that Google would drop PageRank without making a MAJOR announcement to go along with it. I'm actually a little surprised that so many WebmasterWorld members are speculating this is what happened.
Google is a public company now ... they don't go making major changes to their system without a press release. Millions use the Google toolbar, not just webmasters, so it's highly unlikely that PageRank would be phased out of the toolbar without an announcement. Besides, many of us in this forum are Google shareholders and if Google had planned to drop PR we would know about it. This is a temporary situation or an upgrade, not an elimination.

I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as most of you here when it comes to seo (etc) but ^^that^^ quote makes sense. Even if it has nothing to do with money it's stupid to not give the webmaster world a heads up on the situation. You guys are their lifeblood. It's a dick to the face if they didn't tell you and let you prepare.

I mean this IS a major weekend for most people to have a big party, cook some ribs among friends, thank a fellow veteran or go camping. NOT sit at their computers and speculate.

You’d think that it's going to be a major upgrade for this very reason. Half of you should be at the lake, not behind your computer stressing.

Unfortunately any time is a bad time for most of you so when else are they supposed to a possible upgrade?

Have a beer and enjoy monday. If PR goes away for good then you'll adapt.

This is exactly why Google has not commented or said anything and the reason why they shouldn't...because those webmasters/SEO's who feel they have lost money because of this. That was never the intention of PR, it should have never been anyone's lifeblood...it should only been use as an informational service. Google should not care about those who violate their terms and use the PR as a money-making scheme. The PR cuts too much into Google's algorithm and gives webmasters/SEO's more speculation room, by doing away with it, it kills a lot of leechers. The PR tool has been abused for a long while now and getting rid of it would be the best thing they could do. This will make the web get back to its roots and webmasters/SEO's will have to build sites naturally...link schemes don't matter as much. You even notice a drop all across the board this past weekend. Not many advertisers searching for PR sites this weekend (haha). This will take certain sites out of the loop altogether who rely on link building or Google PR. It will be very interesting to see what happens in the coming weeks...if Google PR stays dead....I'll be checking #*$!edcompany.com for sites that have gone away.

In short, it is not Google responsibility to inform wrong doers so they can prepare themselves. If you had an free informational service which became popular and then leechers found a way to make money from it...you will not feel the burden to tell the leechers that you are doing away with the service...its not your responsibility. They did not use the service as intended and have abused it...therefore, they will only be liable for their improper actions.

5:22 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In my opinion it would be nice if those were the last days for google PR. Time to start something new, google had enough. They were ment to make the net better, and they did so at the beginning but now it's all getting worse.

Why do we have text link brokers? Page Rank
Why do we have scraper sites? Adsense
Why do we have junk in the SERPS? bought page rank, scraper sites, made for adsense sites.
Why do we have these sites? Google.
End of Story.

5:29 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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antonaf, nicey put.

Mack.

5:57 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What if they are implementing their new Urchin acquisition, that might be cool:)
5:59 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I uninstalled, then reinstalled the google toolbar.
Then I requested a cached snapshot of a page using the toolbar, and it crashed internet explorer so bad that I could not even close the window with an End Task. Only a restart of the computer allowed me to fix it. After going through this twice, I have uninstalled the Google toolbar a least for a few weaks. I've installed the Yahoo and MSN toolbars, and i will test them for a while.
6:04 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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damn .. 25 pages for this thread in 2 DAYS!
the sky is falling the sky is falling!
i think i'll just get back to work now :)
6:06 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think Google Stops cacheing pages get stop from last 2 days... is it right? last cashed is on 28 May 2005 03:19:15 GMT....
6:14 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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has google released any statement for Turned off Page rank Bar?
6:15 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i am still not able to see gppgle PR in any site whats going on is anyone able to see. also google dancing going on few of my sites are coming at higher places whan i search on my pc while from client end he says that he is not able to find even in top 10...whats going on with google.....
6:15 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Glad to know so many people see this problem. I was afraid something wrong with my web site. Relief now.
6:20 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hopefully we will get the rid of this confusion in next couple of days...
UK-bank Holiday Today
US-Memorial day Today
6:37 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My take on this as follows.

We shall not be seeing PageRank again (or at least as we know it) and the Google backlink tool has been showing useless results for months. In my mind Google is dead.

MSN or Yahoo need to introduce better tools for the webmaster and we webmasters/seo's will help to build those engines in the same way we have helped to build Google over the years.

We made the engine and we will break the engine. There are a heck of lot of <rather annoyed> webmasters out there and Google will suffer as a result.

[edited by: Woz at 7:29 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]
[edit reason] Ahem, Language! [/edit]

7:11 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hooray!

I hope it never comes back.

7:30 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree that PR has been dead for months (if not years).

Google seems to care more about keeping people from doing ANYTHING to increase ranking than they do about results. Just like anything else in this world, the best resources will spend the most time, effort, and money to get to the top. Good sites that provide good products and services have more money to spend on SEO. Why should they be punished for working hard to get to the top?

Because Google is trying so hard to prevent manipulation, the results will continue to become less relevant because they are shutting the best resources out.

I used to love Google, but now I see they are more interested in forcing people into advertising to get at the top than they are in providing good results.

7:39 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Page rank gone. I donot think it is technical problem, google can solve such problem within hour, not 2 days. It is gone. Yahoo, msn must break google monopoly so we donot need to concentrate wholly on google. Its strange why software giant microsoft is not successful yet, think google can build an application like ms excel, internet explorer..?!
7:47 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ah, the toolbar and the power of suggestion. Maybe they are just trying to see what people really want. It's all about the click, baby.

I have no idea, but it is very odd. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions just yet. We'll see what happens after the holiday weekend.

7:49 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I believe google PR is gone forever.

Reasons :-

i) It will not goes down for 2 days. If it is a tech problem, it should have been fixed.

ii) New google directory (alpha) is already hiding PR bar. e.g. [directory.google.com...]

iii) [toolbar.google.com...] has replaced an image without PR bar.

7:53 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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it's gone
so is their toolbar on all my machines. :)
7:54 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In short, it is not Google responsibility to inform wrong doers so they can prepare themselves.

Google do not (did not?) provide the PR tool for "wrongdoers". They provide it as a service to their users and they advertise it as such on their website. It is supposed to be a way of gauging the quality of websites.

Google still says, "Wondering whether a new website is worth your time? Use the Toolbar’s PageRank™ display to tell you how Google’s algorithms assess the importance of the page you're viewing."

If they have pulled the plug on PR they would do well to remember that PR can have another meaning, i.e. Public Relations. If this is just a glitch or an update they could help their own PR by providing their users with a status report on their home page to let them know that their search engine is not currently doing what they claim that it can.

All this would take would be a one liner, "Our PR tool is being updated and not available at present", or something along these lines. No one would fall out with them for that. If it is being removed then they should have announced this before the event.

8:00 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think the long and short is no one, bar webmasters really care. No general user will install the bar simply for PR viewing purposes. They install it for search, and there is nothing to stop them doing that.

Mack.

8:14 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just a thought,

If they "hide" PR in the toolbar, real PR could become really important again and no one would notice.

8:28 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ii) New google directory (alpha) is already hiding PR bar. e.g. [directory.google.com...]

Isn't that just the alphabetical order? :-) The link to order in PageRank order is still on that example page, and shows the PR bar, with a toggle for the display order to go between PR or Alphabetical ordering. I had merely assumed "alpha" meant the ordering, given it appears as the URL when you request alphabetical order, and not a new version. Did I miss a trick here?

8:34 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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iii) [toolbar.google.com...] has replaced an image without PR bar.

This indicates googles's strategy shift!

8:36 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It is still in the second page.
8:46 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey guys just imagine what's gonna happen to those big PR sellers, selling links to those "unupgraded" individuals who still think google pagerank still has the value it had once long ago before all that turmoil of Florida, Austin, sandbox, Bourbon and what not. Their business is basically busted and I believe that was Google's plan.

Busting the links selling this way preventing the most "unnatural" way of acquiring link popularity is something Google has been trying to do since it went IPO.

Myself I won't change anything in linking strategy for my projects - presence in cache, relevance, "hilltopness" in my area, age or "unsandboxedness" of the link partner's domain is what mattered to me for quite a while a lot more that just some green light on the bar.

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