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1:08 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know Jagger isn't done but I noticed something interesting today.

On the search for 'pioneer widgets' my article is usually first but today when I checked in on 66.102.9.104 the article is now third. Interestingly the page ahead of my page has (Pioneer widgets Website Coming Soon!) at the
top then a couple of paragraphs about a widget shop with the words 'pioneer widgets' near the top and the bottom.

The first thing that occurred to me is that having the key words next to each other in the title must be of greater importance now. My title is 'Pioneer widgetingpeople & Their Widgets'.

The other thing I'm noticing is that a short page with the search phrase near the bottom and top doesn't need much PR to rate well. Interesting. Maybe short introductions to article pages with all these features will do
better. Then it would link to the full article. Just a thought but perhaps things will be completely different when this update is over.

The worrisome thing about this is that writing the short blurb and never bothering with the real article would do just as well. I can just see the spammers jumping in to take advantage of that!

Hopefully GG and others from Google have noticed this.

BTW I don't care if my page is first or third. People will find it either way. But I will care when 10 automated spammy sites are ahead of my page.

2:06 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yikes!

Jagger 2 the sequel.

Well I might as well put my two cents in.

Inbound link knob turned up to high to fly in the long run. Trusted inbounds? Replicated by midnight.

Jagger 3 must hold some surprises, or this could be a yawn.

2:11 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, when it comes to the type of results seen on that data center, topical, light content articles or brief content pages, seem to be fairing quite well.
2:18 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Someone erased my post, I'll say it again:

LOOKS LIKE G__GLE IS BROKEN! IMO

HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE SEARCH RESULTS! IMO!

2:26 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just checked the allinanchor:gray widget (two words)on 66.102.9.104 and 216.239.37.99 (my DC) and they seem to be broken - or it appears that all the anchors have been erased for my site, which may lead to rankings.

Anyone else notice this?
Anyone see their allinanchor working and correlating to SERPS on 66.102.9.104?

2:27 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is tomorrow morning Jagger 2 going to be all over the DCs?
2:29 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)



I'm already looking forward to thread "Update Jagger - Part 3: The Final Insult". :)
2:30 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is it really broken? Are you sure? Are you sure?
Maybe its just bent or sleeping.

Are we there yet? Are we Are we?

2:33 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sailorjwd:

Don't take my word for it that G__GLE IS BROKEN, just pull up any search and notice all the horrible results!

Case Closed! IMO!

2:36 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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All the searches I run I'm in the top 3. Seems to be working fine.
2:41 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sailorjwd:

Don't worry, here today GONE tomorrow! watch and see! LOL!

2:43 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone know how long it takes for changes to be rolled out across the data centers?
Is Jagger 2 still in progress, or is it officially "there" and now just needs to propogate to the other DC's?
2:44 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)



aliszka,
regardless of my ranking, I see that Google has some problems (past 3-4 weeks), but I wonder if Joe Schmo sees them. I, and virtually of you, are biased because we look at the SERPS differently. Hard to tell
3:07 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Really, don't get us wrong, we all *do* so very appreciate the cameo from Chicken Little to promote his upcoming movie. But let's stay on topic can we?
3:07 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Terrible results in my area
3:18 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google Is Evil, Google Is Bad
Better Fix It Quick, Or I"ll Tell My Dad
Please Stop This Whining, The Traffic Is Free
Hey Matt & GoogleGuy, Bring On Jagger 3!

Back to watching,
WW_Watcher
Edited Because It Might Have Been Just A Bit Abusive

[edited by: WW_Watcher at 3:37 am (utc) on Nov. 2, 2005]

3:37 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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tick, tick, tick...

It looks like the jagger2.5 results from 66.102.9.104 have been stable for a while. It's almost Wednesday the originally predicted d-day for jagger3. I bet mcdar is going nuts.

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Google Is Evil, Google Is Bad
Better Fix It Quick, Or I"ll Tell My Dad

ROFL and so true!

4:07 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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HI Brett I can't get into the first part of the thread getting this error.

status: 404: File Not Found : /home/billthecat/webmasterworld.com/htdocs/forum30/31688.thd

4:13 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The cat ate the first part of the third incarnation of the update thread.

The message even says so.

Darn cats.

4:16 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I really hope these results change soon. Our site is travel related and has moved down a little, but still there. There is so much junk in the SERPS right now. We are in the process of remodeling a house, I was looking for some items I need to purchase, I got really frustrated using Google looking for what I need, I actually had to go to MSN.

I don't know of many things that look good before they are completed, hopefully this hold true and we start seeing better results.

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Are you saying that rackspace lets cats into its datacenters? I guess it would make sense, help keep down the mice and rats, but who would have thought they would develop a taste for something as flavorless as an update thread, must have been all the twists and turns that caught its eye.
4:19 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)



So where are we now Jagger2 or Jagger3 or should we ask the cat?
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seeing 404's rank for dead sites, lots of completely off topic sites and even several with completely hidden text, including one site that has a list of about 4000 hidden text keyphrases with this:

small {
font-family: Times New Roman;
font-size: 2px;
color: #ffffff;
background: #ffffff;
layer-background-color: #ffffff;

The text is so small, even if it wasn't white on white, there would be no way to read it.

Goog job Google! I'm sure your users will love finding sites that have 0% to do with what they are searching for!

Why didn't I think of just putting tons of tiny hidden text that has nothing to do with my site?

5:18 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good morning Folks

I canīt access the first part of Jagger update thread. Have stickied both Brett and tedster about it.

However, as a good GoogleGuyologist I have saved om my PC the latest 2 messages of GoogleGuy regarding Jagger Update and Iīm posting them here for the benifit of further discussion :-)

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msg #:1625 new post indicator6:21 am on Nov 1, 2005 (utc 0)

GG - weather report? Is "Jagger III, the Canonical" brewing yet?

Last week I said that Jagger3 would hopefully be visible this week, possibly as early as Wednesday. Jagger3 is looking good internally, so I still have hope for last week's weather report to hold true. If something changes, I'll post. I have a hunch which data center it will show at first, but there's no point in telling people to look at it now--the results are the still the same at that data center for the time being.

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msg #:1627 new post indicator6:25 am on Nov 1, 2005 (utc 0)

Just to let people know, Jagger3 will have some canonicalization changes, but more importantly it's the base that I expect us to build on going forward. Once Jagger3 is visible, folks can send us Jagger3-specific feedback; I'll be asking several people to read the Jagger3 index feedback at that time.

Don't wait to send Jagger-related spam feedback; I'd send that now. Using the keyword "Jagger" at [google.com...] will get someone reading and checking it out.

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5:33 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks

As you might have noticed in GoogleGuys above posts, we mightbe lucky to see already today the start of Jagger3 (nickname Canonical Killer).

Good luck to all (including Dayo_UK) :-)

6:14 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, whining about Google serps...

Well, I can accept that Google changes their algo's to present better results, less dependend on "smart" SEO..

I can also accept that I loose rankings, simply because other sites are better, more orignal, or however better....

I would admit "defeat" with grace and respect..

But the current results, at least for some of the terms that I am watching, are simply filled with very strange, highy irrelevant results, and could easily be replaced with much better sites, and I am not talking about my own.

If G was selling cars, then some of their models would have gone directly back to the factory, and people wouldn't trust the models that were still driving.

6:21 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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we mightbe lucky to see already today the start of Jagger3 (nickname Canonical Killer).

Could this DC, 66.102.9.104, be jagger3 with the canonical issue fixed?

I'm asking because I just tried --> site:domain.com and the serps gives me the link

---> www.domain.com

as the only result. So it looks like Google understands that www.domain.com is the same site as domain.com

6:44 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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mawlamyine

>>Could this DC, 66.102.9.104, be jagger3 with the canonical issue fixed? <<

Wouldnīt dare to answer, before GoogleGuy confirm here on this thread that Jagger3 has started.

I can hear GoogleGuy's Footsteps ;-)

[edited by: reseller at 6:44 am (utc) on Nov. 2, 2005]

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