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66.102.9.104 might be close to new SERP but the jagger3 fix was not implemented there for sure.
Plenty of suplemental and canonical issues there.

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<<Could this DC, 66.102.9.104, be jagger3 with the canonical issue fixed?

No, i dont think so. WWW is a subdomain,too, and will be also listed when checking site:domain.com. I guess in your special case (i am sure its not domain.com, right?;)) there never exist a canonical problem.

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<<No, i dont think so. WWW is a subdomain,too, and will be also listed when checking site:domain.com. I guess in your special case (i am sure its not domain.com, right?;)) there never exist a canonical problem. >>

Why not?

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Geez.

Don't visit for a couple of months and look what happens! ;)

Can't access J1 thread, so hope I'm not repeating.

Dunno which data centre we call from downunder, but FYI, some of my competitors, who indulged in "circular" reciprocal link/farm pages are nowhere. Gone. Disappeared from view. Stopped looking after they still didn't turn up at results #70-80, when previously they dominated the top 10.

And I'm no expert, but from here it also looks like G. is filtering offshore hosting. A "pages from Australia" search returns domains I know are hosted on local servers (regardless of the TLD, 2tld).

So, looks to me like, if you indulge in circular reciprocal/link farm AND you host offshore, you can wave goodbye to your local rank results.

A few of my results have dropped out of top 10-20, but on the other hand, a number of pages on our primary portal web site, have rocketed up in both full web *and* Australia only results, some up to #1, from top 20 and lower rankings.

So as you can imagine, at this stage, I'm not complaining, but I'm keeping an eye on it.

Figured G. was gonna move on link based page rank/results at some stage, just surprised it took them this long.

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Any care to speculate on whether PR will change again with Jagger 3?
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>>Any care to speculate on whether PR will change again with Jagger 3? <<

I don´t think so. Because PR and backlinks have just been updated during Jagger1.

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I'm in oz too but our site is hosted in the US so maybe thats why we have lost a traffic? Don't go in for recip linking though, honest. I think maybe google uses a "thesauras" now which I actually think is quite smart. Perhaps you need words meaning basically the same thing to rank for any search on any of the related words and if you only mention the one word forgret it Just a theory from what I'm observing. Also renewed my domain name for 5 years and read that patent application through.
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Great, i lost 40% traffic from google. No more interest in updating the site. I'll give it one more week, and if this continues, i might think of buying traffic. Afterall, maybe thats what google wants us all to do. Adwords.
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In this [66.102.9.104...] datacentre I believe that Overtly SEOed (not spam) sites are given a boot to the second page.

like a keyword which had its official site as #1 is now # 3, Plently of forums and scrappers still coming in results specially for 2-3 word phrases.

On part of google (we are losing some - a bit of traffic) but I think going down with the SEOed sites is a good idea of increasing relevancy on part of google and returning the internet to its original idea

The great leveller ....as I always felt the internet was.

Will GoogleGuy please confirm if still more changes are in store after this update (is this Jagger 3 or not and if so is there a Jagger 4 in pipeline)

BTW who names these updates:)

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How I wish scrapper sites get the boot of google and adsense both....

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Thanks,

Just wondering because I had read in the forum somewhere that it might change when google works of the cannonical issue, if the pr was split between non www and www sites. Apparently, I like a lot of people have this problem as I see both when I do the site:mydomain.com

One other thing, I just the McDar Datacenter quickcheck tool to check for # of pages indexed on the 64.* datacenter banks and it now shows zero pages indexed for my domain had been showing somewhere in the area of 1000 pages, but I am still coming up well on a search for my main keywords or phrases so this is confusing to me...ideas...thoughts?

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>>>>"Update Jagger - Part 3: The Final Insult".

Sorry - just thought that was worth a LOL.

Brett - one of your cats called Bill :) - Good name for a cat.

Hmmmmz - is today the day - cant see any DC that might be the way forward yet - and it is Wednesday in Google land ;) - ok very early though.

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@dumpedbyg
<<Why not?

i checked this IP and still see canonical problems, so i concluded the domain mentioned is not involved in that issue.

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Good Morning for all! (here in spain :P)
Today I received a newsletter with the title: Are reciprocal links dead?
They explain that this as method of building rank and link popularity ends with jagger and it is the possible reason because a lot of sites surffering loss of position..
Somebody think that?
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<Great, i lost 40% traffic from google. No more interest in updating the site. I'll give it one more week, and if this continues, i might think of buying traffic. Afterall, maybe thats what google wants us all to do. Adwords.>

Exactly. Our site sells niche widgets (hate that term). There are at least thirty sites which sell exclusively those niche widgets. None of them (including us) appear in the first three pages on G.(as of this morning) Result - spend more on adwords. Simple really

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To me the update looks finished and Google has added the extra links to the bottom of the authority sites listings at number one.

If you swap links with quality sites as well as add other quality sites to your links page then there is no problem…. Unless you have a massive links farm then I suppose only a percentage of those links are counted… but the site has got to be made up of mostly external links.

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normasp >>
Good morning.
I am in Spain too right now, and got a similar email.
There has been a lot of interrogation re reciprocal links, on this forum, and many believe that if sites with them are being hit badly. I believe, however, that if the reciprocals are valid [related to your theme] then they are not affecting ratings whatsoever.
I know sites that have many reciprocals, and are still in the top 3 of the SERP's. Perhaps going overboard on them i.e. thousands may affect positioning, but a suggested maximum of 100 links [total links, not just recips] on any given page is the way to go!

[edited by: Eazygoin at 9:26 am (utc) on Nov. 2, 2005]

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>>>>To me the update looks finished and Google has added the extra links to the bottom of the authority sites listings at number one.

Dont know where you are looking mate - Yahoo?

Jagger2 is on less than half of the DCs still.

No sign of Jagger3 yet.

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i keep waking up every morning and switching on my computer in the hope that things have improved for my site...still no sign of Jagger3....keep waiting lol (don't know how much more waiting I can take!)

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Today Matt Cutts says in his blog:

P.S. I’m off to bed, but Jagger3 is coming along. I don’t know if it will be visible later today or not, but I’ll keep you posted when I know more.
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Strikes me that these algo tweaks are nonsense - filtering bad links, weighting good links, etc - Google should just monitor their users behaviour and let them decide whats relevant - people power!
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I'm impressed. Those amazing Jaggers make me really happy. I want weekly Jaggers, and I'm not kidding. All my stuff ranks fair where it belongs, even new sites as if there is no sandbox.

I've lost a significant amount of Google traffic on old sites, some of them 5+ years old, but to stay honest they didn't deserve their former rankings. A while ago I've dumped a few established SEO tactics, all WH stuff like honest link building campaigns BTW, and (re)invented a few. It was worth it.

I hate the update thread whining and usually I don't post in those soap operas, but I thought somebody should say something positive: The Jagger update rocks!

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<<The Jagger update rocks!

Its not over 'til its over.

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Good point.

The Jagger update rocks so far!

However, I guess it will be good to me in the end, just like all the recent updates and adjustments.

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>>However, I guess it will be good to me in the end, just like all the recent updates and adjustments.<<

I hope so for your sake Sebastian, I wouldn't want you to join the rest of us 'whiners'. I think many of us are finding solace in some of the emails since we are in the same boat. Today could make or break some business's so you should forgive us our moanings.

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[66.102.9.104...]
these SERPs really suck in travel area. They look like the only way to get to the top for travel keywords is buy a very old domain, autogenerate zillion of pages so that you cover every single piece of industry and wait for the boost.
It also seems to me that big emphasis has been put on the keyword "widget", what allows large autogenerated sites rank above specialist in "red widgets", "green widgets" and "cheap widgets".
Google commercial SERPs will now look like a regular shopping mall. I believe, users decided to start using Google because of the SERRPs showing mom and pop stuff.
SERPs visible at [66.102.9.104...] show that Google decided to become an online shopping mall showing big names at the top.
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In the sector I watch, [66.102.9.104...] has me in 34th from 2nd. And ahead of me now are 6 scrapers and 4 404'ed Korean pages.

Am I supposed to believe this is the best Google can do?

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StriderUK, my intention was not to 'attack whiners'. I know how it feels when Google tanks sites or even networks of sites. It happened to me, and I've learned a lot. I hate the soap operas because they are useless, a waste of time. Instead of reading thousands of posts, most w/o substance due to the ToS, I prefer to analyse an update when it's over, although my stats during an update do make me nosy sometimes;)
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Today could make or break some business's so you should forgive us our moanings.

Google for information, Froggle for shopping? May be that's the take home message from the big G after Jagger has run its course?

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>Today could make or break some business's so you should forgive us our moanings

That is so true. Many of us have had a good ride and it may be time to re-invent ourselves, including a whole lifestyle change. I am seriously thinking of down sizing, going CO2 neutral and discovering what my children's names are!

Its kind of exciting to have a new clean slate, with a fresh start. Every cloud has a silver lining.

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Ok

Last time before the storm hits:-

Listen google The canonical url for my site is the homepage with the www - I have done the 301 - this is the page with the most backlinks - it is the page that should rank for the company name search. Etc."

Good luck everyone :)

>Today could make or break some business's so you should forgive us our moanings

Yes - remember Jagger3 will hopefully bring a fix for certain issues - but not only that is a base G will be moving forward on for the next year or so perhaps.

Some people will say dont rely on Google to much - but Google can build and destroy a business by itself - eg like when a Car Plant closes in a certain area - lots of little companies close that provide for that car plant.

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