Update Jagger - Part 2

[Brett_Tabke]

Continued from
[webmasterworld.com...]

[petehall]

Seeing three very distinctive sets of results now.

216.239.57.105 - These look like pre / mid Jagger2 to me. I certainly don't think these are fresh.

64.233.161.99 - Looks like Jagger2 end result and very respectable too.

66.102.11.104 - These are the most recent and I think these are going to spread...

It's almost like we have three stages of SERPs in chronological order here.

[thecityofgold2005]

This is a one off sample but here is how I see the situation right now:

Jagger1 Serps

20 DC TOTAL. Retreating.

216.239.53.99
216.239.57.99
66.102.7.99
66.102.7.99
66.102.7.147
216.239.57.147
66.102.7.105
216.239.57.98
216.239.57.105
64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.185.99
64.233.185.104
64.233.187.99
64.233.187.104
64.233.189.104
66.102.7.104
216.239.57.104
216.239.53.104
216.239.63.104

Jagger2 Serps : First appeared last wednesday

16 DC TOTAL. Propogating.

216.239.37.99
216.239.39.99
216.239.59.99
216.239.37.147
64.233.167.147
216.239.59.105
216.239.37.105
64.233.183.99
64.233.183.104
216.239.59.104
216.239.37.104
216.239.39.104
64.233.167.99
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.167.104

Jagger 2.5 Serps : First appeared this Monday.

4 DC TOTAL. Static.

66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104

[discobiscuit]

216.239.57.105

I can't seem to conatct that datacentre

[fredde]

Hey, i guess Jagger3 is already active, but we are focussing too much on the serps ;) Here are the DC where the canonical problem seems to be fixed (in my case it is):

64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
216.239.63.104
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.104
216.239.57.104
216.239.57.98
216.239.57.105
66.102.7.105
216.239.53.99
216.239.57.99
66.102.7.99
216.239.57.147
66.102.7.147

[walkman]

Guys,
if you don't rank for your name:
If Google thinks you got links in a sneaky way from ONE source, (I believe that) ALL your links are devalued, as suppose to just those ones. I guess they justify it by saying that if did it for this, you did for all your links. I know not all sites are affected the same way, but that is still flawed IMO; many sites still do.

Most importantly, it is open to abuse.

[thecityofgold2005]

fredde, that confuses things immensely since the dc's in which caconicals are fixed are spread across all 3 serp sets!

Think it goes to show that this isn't over yet.

Btw, has anyone heard anything concrete about whether and when Jagger3 happens? Unlike Jagger 1 and 2, Google has gone slightly off schedule with this update. I expected it to be live this morning (UK).

[fredde]

@thecityofgold2005
yes, the DC i mentioned are all pre-jagger2, regarding the serps not really new.

[cleanup]

Walkman,
Why from just one source? Surely any identified link monkey buisness and they could anull your links.

Links having no effect would fit what I am seeing, although there are some very very obscure phrases that should rate no even with no back links but they still don't so I think it may be a site penalty rather than just a links discount.

[synergy]

Btw, has anyone heard anything concrete about whether and when Jagger3 happens?

From Matt Cutt's blog

November 2, 2005 @ 2:39 am

P.S. I’m off to bed, but Jagger3 is coming along. I don’t know if it will be visible later today or not, but I’ll keep you posted when I know more.

October 26, 2005 @ 2:00 am

Jagger1, Jagger2, and Jagger3 are mostly independent changes, but they’re occurring closely enough in time (plus they interact to some degree) that it’s clearer just to act as if they were one update for feedback purposes.

[edited by: synergy at 4:36 pm (utc) on Nov. 2, 2005]

[Strider]

My 100% legit site got poundered into dust for probably the most commercial keyword in the web development industry (next to web development and website development i suppose) for nothing... Been in top3 for it for over 2 years and survived florida with it.

My company did a lot of web programming for a *VERY* huge scripts portal which i am sure is known to at least 50% of WebmasterWorld audience. Getting a "web development by" link from it was a great accomplishment for my company. Now as this portal belongs to a major web advertising agency and goolge DOES know that as they used to be buying traffic from them, I am seemingly suspected of buying this link and penalized!
I see no other reason for such obnoxios google behavior...

Suspend it for anchor value etc - fair enough - but why the bl**dy penalty?

Well google you are definitely going insane...

I am getting about 2-3 RFP a day from that link only - something I could never expect from that keyword so basically, google - keep going insane :)