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Google June 2002 Update

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8:00 pm on Jun 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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link:www.yahoo.com on www.google.com = 623,000
link:www.yahoo.com on www2.google.com = 628,000
link:www.yahoo.com on www3.google.com = 628,000

link:www.webmasterworld.com on www.google.com = 3940
link:www.webmasterworld.com on www.google.com = 3990
link:www.webmasterworld.com on www.google.com = 3990

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Yow!!! I thought we got a crummy deal last update, but it's even worse for us this month! I'm happy for the rest of you that are seeing improvements, but I sure hope there's a lot of jiggling to go yet in our sector. Thank goodness there's still AOL & MSN (never thought I'd hear myself say that....)
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PageRank 6?!?! From 0?? I don't know how that happened, but I like it :)
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Congratulations, Feeder!

NutsandBolts, how are you doing this time around?

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A bad update for us. Last month a "welcome to cobalt raq" page and this month we are totally out!. I cannot believe what is going on ever since we made a simple change to move from a shared IP to static IP 2 months ago. The web host and name servers remain the same. It was just a simple move from shared IP to static IP. Google(bot) does not get this. This month we are completely wiped out. Only thing I see is about 500 sites who have links or otherwise mentioned our names on their web sites. About 500 sites referrring our site and we make a simple DNS change and the whole world sees it EXCEPT googlebot! ... How can one make aware of the googlebot of a simple DNS change?
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Good Google (pat on the head..):)
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Oh my Goodness! The site that was in my profile is BACK! :)))))

Phew!

Blimey, I'm shocked. Stunned!

Thank you Google for listening to my pleads on this one.... Now, about those other sites ;)

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Congratulations, N&B. Happy (and relieved) for you.
11:23 pm on June 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Question: How does one compare the "Google Web Directory" during the Google Dance?

I am trying to determine if my PageRank improved.

I know how to compare the www,www2,www3 for webpages...thanks already!

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Thanks Beachboy ;)

Still have problems but really, this is first class :)

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I havent posted in the GG forum for several months. Google was my hero and my allie before Oct. last year. At the time I posted many times to try and get to the bottom of it. After couple of months of it gave up the struggle and decided to carry on as normal and pretend nothing was wrong...

Finally, some 9 months later my faith in GG has returned. Last months update and now this one has been a cracking success. New sites listed with brilliant results for my hard work and even better the return of many old ones too.

The old ones appear to have come back gradually over the last 3 months... What I cant understand is why that process is taking so long. Sites that have thousands of inbound links and no real 'on-the-page' optimisation were kicked out almost completely back in Oct last year and have taken til now to return.

przero2: I'm sorry to hear you've had problems yet again. I know you also have suffered for quite a while. Moving to a unique IP was a wise move but as you have found out, a risky one. Googlebot appears to prefer stability and blows a fit if you change anything. I hope you get it sorted eventually.

:)
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Concerning moving IP's...I just did it not more than 2 months ago...and the results now are fantastic!
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Since the update is early, is it possible that more inbound links and indexed pages will show up in the next 24 hours?
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Looks like they are being ranked more on content then PR this time around. On my main keyphrase (both plural and singular) a few sites have jumped ahead of mine with PR2 when I have PR4 and one of these sites is brand new with zero inbound links.
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a few sites have jumped ahead of mine with PR2 when I have PR4 and one of these sites is brand new with zero inbound links.

But aren't you able to only see the current "www" PageRank, not the updates "www2/3" PR? So perhaps the PR of those sites, or yours, will have changed with the new update.

On the site with zero inbound links, though, are you saying that they also have no links when running the links query on the new database?

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Yes I did the link: search on the database using using both the with and without http, www, and so on and it has exactly zero sites linking to it.
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My site came up with zero using link: also. Try +www.yoursite.+com
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friends,

my site has a number of links on www3 and www2 at the moment. should I expect that it's gonna remain like that after the update or can the site still be dropped?

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John D:

What you see on www2 and 3 is pretty much an accurate preview of what you will eventually see on www when the Dance is done.

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funny thing is, I got lots of new links. very relevant and high PR. but my site doesn't show up in google for any keywords at all..

what could that mean?

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Well I think we are headed to a question of how well optimized your site is for the important keyword phrases. And the inbound links you have, do they have those important kw phrases in the anchor text?
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OK - I can't hold back :)

I just popped in to Webmaster World and what do I see but the dance thread. My new site has every one of the pages on www3 and www2 but 0 on www. It is ranking much better than I thought, with every keyword/phrase that I can think of on the first page of SERPS.

I just had to jump in :)

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basically yes. besides there's always old links that gave me a good ranking for my keywords. the only change is that I received a LOT of new links..
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Well we have got a new site in www2/3 that was put on line around 8 weeks ago and at #1 for its keyword phrase. However we are still tense here! Last month we were no 1 for the first few hours too and then dropped out completely! I have a rough memory that the early stages of an update reflect keywords and content to a large degree, and only at a later stage PR comes in to effect for new sites. This therefore means that new sites may perform well early on www2/3 but may drop down substantially when PR comes into effect and before the new results move into www. Can anybody confirm this?
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Hello WW. I'm happy for all of the people doing well in this dance. Me, I have a problem. My site is completely gone in 2 and 3. I'm listed in 1, though very deep. It's a work in progress, but I never submitted to Google or anyone else for that matter. They just picked me up somehow. I added lots of content, yet I'm showing no results for www.site.com. Am I freaking out or should I chill out?
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Can anybody confirm this?

I can't confirm it, but I hope you're right.

Here's what I'm seeing now on the site that's most important to me: The home page has had an indicated PR5 for months, and is very well positioned for phrases for which it's also content-optimized and well-themed. Plenty of #1 through #10 results, using the May index.

But on www2 and www3 right now it's buried on the second or third pages for most of those search queries, and a links query shows none at all. But every one of the linking sites that I've tried (and there aren't a lot, so I tried them all) do show up in the new index.

So I'd feel better thinking that chiyo is right, and the halfway decent PR of the site isn't yet being reflected in the serps on www2 and www3.

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usually what comes on www2 and www3 gets rolled over to www. that's scary ... given what happened to one of our sites due to DNS changes over 2 months ago. just to eliminate any issues with DNS or IP - recreated the domain with a different IP. here is hoping that the bot picks up next time!
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Ok, what I see now:
- Google has changes their algo about incoming links: My friend has lost many non relevant links from the site he has developed ( design by:) and I gained very good links from the thematic similar sites.

Is google moving to theme analys???

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I may have asked this in former update threads.. But, while I see a lot going on in terms of changes, 90% of my sites are gone.

Is it possible that PR is still being calculated?

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Chiyo:

My experience over the last couple of months is that a new site (with brand new PR) has stayed where it initially appeared as the rollout began.

We had several new sites that received excellent placement right out of the gate with the prior update. There were close to no changes in position downward, a few actually improved a bit midway through the month.

With this update, we have a lot of new sites that achieved great positioning. I will be keeping an eye on them, however.

Eric:

Given what I've noted above, I'd say the PR must be pretty well fixed at the beginning of the update, just not revealed until www begins to stabilize.

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Interesting, it looks as though the www2 & 3 cached snapshot of my site is very, very early June, late May. That's probably a total of 50 pages for me unfortunately. Googlebot came almost every day after that, spidered about 60-70 more pages that I added around June 6, and even temporarily indexed them on www in the middle of June. So I'm really confused as to why these pages aren't showing up yet because they were spidered, and were even on www for a short time. This Google thing is hard to figure out.
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