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That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)
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BeeDeeDubbleU takes some beating :)
Here's a few options:
1) Buy an older domain - show everyone that you too are also smarter than the Google algo
2) Continue to do link development for around 6 months.
Seeing as how this thread has lasted for nearly 6 months, many posters here should soon see their websites ranking high.
The sandbox effect can not stop motivated webmasters from earning money.
It can!
Google built market share by providing free listings which gave them content. Those older sites that helped google become what it is today are now being rewarded by remaining in the index and ranking well. Thank you Google. I don't want to be ditched by some new site that just claims to be 'usefull' by some self opinionated webmaster whose new site is not as original or good as he thinks it is anyway."My new site is really good... blah blah..." Tough. You weren't there a few years ago developing your site, investing in new technology and making the internet more popular everyday. New sites have no right to knock established sites off the top serps. Older sites are just as good as any other site.
Sandbox is the best thing, whether by accident or design. Long may it continue, it helps the webmasters who put all the pioneering work into the net and helped make google. Why should some newbie webmaster/site wipe these guys off the top positions? They don't deserve it.
You want to beat sandbox... then pay for some traffic. You might want to try those 'spammy directories'.... lets face it guys, they whipped your arse, despite your whinging.
That type of thinking is just ridiculous and if it was acceptable, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because the computer would not exist.
I bet the last guy that made buggy whips felt that they automobile had no place in society because they didn't offer people anything new or innovative.
Seeing as how this thread has lasted for nearly 6 months, many posters here should soon see their websites ranking high.
I don't think 6 months is a magically number. Many people are reporting sites as old as last February still being sandboxed. There are many people that call this the march filter instead of the sandbox because that is when they felt it kicked in. Being that it is now December, that was 10 months ago.
Another interesting thing is that the sandbox effect may be the thing that triggers a class action lawsuit not because google owes us anything but because it owes its shareholders a responsibility to disclose material items that may effect it's business and stock price. Whether it is intentional or unintentional, it does effect the search results google serves up and therefore because search is googles business, failure to disclose this information to shareholders and potential investors whose interests may be affected by it could be seen a perpetrating a fraud.
I applaud Google for bringing stability for older sites, who can then develop better content with a more secure future. New sites?... tough, you missed the boat.
Yawn.
I've been earning my living full time online for over 5 years now, and even I'm not that "full of myself" as to the value of some of my older sites. Sure, they enjoy nice, stable rankings, but I don;t consider them the end al, be all, nor do I think they could not be surpassed as a subject matter expert site in their respective fields by newer sites.
Telling people they've "missed the boat" is simply a vain attempt to try to cut down on competition. NO one has missed the boat. The internet is in it's infancy, and there will be plenty of competition for google in the coming years (or do you think MS practically eliminating Netscape was a fluke?).
EVENTUALLY, google will HAVE to begin properly indexing and ranking new sites, or THEY WILL be called to task by the public. If and when a "rumor" of "staleness" starts being entertained by the press, just watch how fast google makes the neccessary changes (if they haven't begun to already) to their hardware/software to properly index AND rank the whole web, not just bits and pieces that "made it in" before they ran out of space, or encountered software limitations, or whatever the hell the problem is.
Missed the boat...what a load of crap. Yeah, that's right folks...google will be the only dominate marketing channel online until the end of time. Just give up now....
Hence, the index is not stale.
It all comes back, time and again through these threads to asking, “why are they doing this?” These guys have so much money at their disposal there is no software or hardware problem they can’t fix. If something is broken and they want to fix it they can. The stakes are enormous; no way would they risk rocking their worlds by hiding, or covering up a mechanical problem. They would wip the plex into a frenzy, burn the midnight oil, get out the check book and get it right.
I just don’t understand it. I keep thinking something really obvious will appear and we will feel really stupid, but we have sites stuck in this thing since March.
New pages are being added all the time.
Hence, the index is not stale.
Google is masking virtually all new sites that have been uploaded since February. They are just not being featured hence the index IS stale. All my new pages on my older sites have been indexed but I do not consider that this lets them off the hook. Stale is stale is stale.
Telling people they've "missed the boat" is simply a vain attempt to try to cut down on competition. NO one has missed the boat. The internet is in it's infancy, and there will be plenty of competition for google in the coming years (or do you think MS practically eliminating Netscape was a fluke?).
How true.
Yawn. Heard that said over and over for years. Google has announced better than expected 3rd quarter earnings earlier this month and since August the share price has doubled. Sandbox has been around since the beginning of the year, so it doesn't seem to be doing any harm.
P.S. I must get back and re read my sites, they are so interesting..... they really deserve to be well ranked. Google has got it absolutely right. :)
My message 305 "There is stuff going on that will change the internet dramatically over the next 5 years, and you all can benefit from the priviliged position you are in. We all dream of being present when a golden opportunity arises.... well wake up, it is happening."
Move on guys, sandbox is sandbox, the boat has left the harbour, find another boat.
You might not find it so easy to be smug.
Move on guys, sandbox is sandbox, the boat has left the harbour, find another boat.
Don't get too comfortable. If Google were to "freeze" their index to keep out spam, then basically they would be giving up on their stated mission - to index the worlds information.
The purpose of a sandbox can only be one thing - to reduce the prevalence of fly-by-night throw-away domains and link schemes used by so many spammers. But those with quality sites to offer will be willing to wait it out. Once the initial sandbox "time lag" has expired, there will be a continual stream of quality new sites ranking in the serps as each one escapes the sandbox. Enjoy your "stability" while it lasts - your lack of new competition probably won't last long.
elgrande - Guess MHes has said that with a pinch of salt. Read him the opposite :)
ahhh *hungover*. Tequila IS a good fighting drink.
. . . but he sounded exactly like those other cold, calculating MBAs I went to school with (and which, coincidentally, are running Google).
If it is intentional, the sandbox will continue until it hurts Google financially more than it helps them. That is now Google management's responsibility to its shareholders. So, as long as it increases adwords revenue and people aren't leaving Google in droves, expect it to continue. Trust me, there is someone crunching the numbers in his or her financial model right now.
