Sandboxed Sites - Back Together?

Do they come out together or one by one?

[McMohan]

Most of the new sites that I work with are still in the sandbox. Was just curios to know, if all the sanboxed sites come out of the sandbox during one fine major updation or one by one, over the rolling updates?

That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)

Thanks

Mc

[cbpayne]

I wonder if this could eventually lead to a class action suit, or trouble with the government.

No chance.

[cwnet]

steveb:

I aggree that that (crappy links) depends on perception.

[cwnet]

I would like to think that the "worlds information" is something above "US federal intervention" abilities or for that matter "Chinese Gov. intervention".

my 2cents (euro) from good old europe, but I could be wrong...

[Imaster]

breast cancer foundation of arizona

Excellent example!

MSN Search Marketing Team, listen, all you have to do to promote you search engine is to make a big list of all such queries and advertise real hard while the Google Sandbox lasts.

[dvduval]

If it's not new, it's old!

When I first joined this forum, there were a bunch of defenders of Altavista, but the overall mood was people were pissed (can I say that?) because AltaVista was not updating with NEW INFORMATION.

I tried to argue that AltaVista was going down fast, but I was out debated. Basically, the argument was something along the lines that there was no way that AltaVista would lose it's position because they reinvented search as we know it.

I am in a much different position now. Google has been good to me. I have optimized my sites, and I feel the sites that rank well deserve to be there because I worked hard to get them there, and created "good places" that are valuable to people.

The reason we have the sandbox

But recently, I have been putting out NEW INFORMATION that I know is valuable to people. I have created more "good places", but Google doesn't update as often. There are claims to contrary.

Google says they are on a constant update, but really this so called "constant update" is inferior. I believe the "constant update" is really an excuse. They are using "Freshbot" info, but they are no longer able to cope with calcualating PageRank across 8 billion pages. So ... we have the sandbox, plain and simple.

Conclusion

Many times on this forum, I have called myself a "Google Fan", but my patience is wearing thin. Maybe Google's stock price is doing great, or all the BIG SITES are ranked well, so nobody cares about the rest. But I think Google can do better. And if they can't, someone else will!

[gomer]

Nice posts Powdork, dvduval.

[Spica]

breast cancer foundation of arizona

Congratulation, Powdork! That is indeed a great example. On the datacenter I hit when I searched for that, the most appropriate site for this query was listed by Google at position 335.

[Imaster]

breast cancer foundation of arizona

We should come up with a list of all such useful examples. If press gets hold of such a list of keywords and then compares the Google search with Yahoo or MSN beta, then this could make a interesting piece of story for them and they could even publish it.

Does anyone have any good contacts in press, maybe we could prepare a good report with all such examples and submit it to various news sites. Any ideas on how to go forward with this?

[dvduval]

Could you illuminate be about this breast cancer thing?
Obviously, there is something you see that I don't.
What is special about this search?

(TIA) :)

[McMohan]

breast cancer foundation of arizona

Powdork, guess my spending time on your sandlag survey was well spent ;)

Mc

[McMohan]

Could you illuminate be about this breast cancer thing?

There is only one site that has this phrase as its official name and doesn't rank within 100. Search in MSN beta and you will know which site are we talking about.

Mc

[Powdork]

Yes it was McMohan. I have lots of examples but this is definitely one of the best and most damning.

dvduval
Try the search on Y G and MSN. There is one site that shows up in the top 5 on Y and MSN, but not in the top 300 on G. The site has been indexed since March, has over 900 backlinks from authoritiy sites and otherwise, is designed for the user, but can't be found on Google even when searching by it's exact and unique name.

In short, its one smelly googlefart.
Pull my finger.

[BeeDeeDubbleU]

Is this snowball starting to roll?

[McMohan]

MHes - You suggest getting natural like links which are normally the authority sites in your chosen field is the key to success with Google, albeit slowly.

Steveb - You suggest getting links from sites/pages that already rank well for your phrase (normally sites that have established their authority status in the field) is the sure way to get sandboxed, which I read as something to stay away from.

Two contrasting opinions. Is there a middle ground?

Mc

[MHes]

McMohan - In fact I think Steveb and I agree. You need links from sites that appear in the same searches but you also want a 'natural' linking profile. If google suddenly sees 5 high pr links to a new site it will be suspicious, especially if they are not news sites.