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That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)
Thanks
Mc
We're mistified why the site is having such a rough time and I can tell you it's gut wrenching to see a site apparently come out of the sandbox and start performing well in the SERPS only to seemingly be put back in the sandbox a few weeks later.
Strange thing is, I'm at a loss to identify what the problem is and caused Google to drop the site again, , still showing Pagerank 4 in the Google toolbar and my guess is the next time it's updated it will be showing pagerank of 5 in the toolbar.
My first instinct is to do nothing at least for a week or two and see what happens but it's difficult to explain to a client particularly after enjoying a few weeks of good traffic from Google, I know Google owes us nothing but to give then take away is hard to stomach!
If anyone can offer any theories I'd appreciate the input ..
It would sure make sense if there is some kind of capacity issue to make spots available to the most "deserving" as measured by a clickthrough metric.
Just a thought.
Its in Y, its on msn, its even better on beta
Google can't find it even if you tell them its in lake tahoe and its a restaurant.
Google sure has a unique way of organizing information.
There's one algorithm to determine where a page should rank which is superceded by the algorithm that determines the likelihood of a pages sponsor purchasing adwords.
Or maybe its just broken beyond repair.
And if your still wondering if new pages on authority sites can rank well off the line, search for googlefart.
and interestingly, 'googlefarts indexed' is both a yahoowhack and a googlewhack;)
Good night, tomorrow's another powder day:)
Probably a ball bearing factory looking for extra traffic.
My stuff seems to have finally started escaping the sandbox, for anyone out there wondering, looks like it's still about 6 months, give or take a few weeks. Pages come out from what I can see, not the site as a whole. Individual pages, one at a time, in groups, but not the whole site at once, I'm still waiting on a small group of pages to come out of it, easy to see because they have unique keywords that should rank top 5, and do everywhere else, and have on google as well.
That's pretty much what I thought happened, it's pages getting sandboxed, the sandbox is I think as someone wrote, can't remember which thread, a flag attached to each page, the pages seem to come out individually, maybe depending on when they were first indexed after the site domain was sandboxed.
Process seems to take a few weeks, it's not all at once. I'll consider this Google's christmas present to me, Yahoo already gave me mine this week, top 10 for all keywords and more, made my site authority by the looks of it, thanks Yahoo, yahoo and msn now 50% of my traffic, google up 2-300% this week, Yahoo also gave a client back his number 1 for keyword1, money keyword, very nice all around, happy holidays you all, don't seo yourselves to death this year, break old habits, remember google is a business, not your friend, treat them that way.
This thought has actually occured to me. I have a site that I have attributed it's success to "timimg" and "clickthru rate" This is because when I uploaded it, it was the right time of the year, and alot of people were searching for it. So in it's initial "new site" state (in which you are at the top of the serps a couple of weeks before getting sandboxed) the ctr was through the roof. Well this site didn't ever get sandboxed and it's still #1 for it's very competive 3 keyword phrase.
For instance, if you have a new website about "fishing", wouldn't it make more sense to upload it in the early Spring, just before "fishing" gets hot?
Maybe this doesn't make sense though, new products come out and the sites seem to get sandboxed anyway. There must be a heavier algo for commerical sites?
I wish they had a "common sense" algo. :)
There can be 10 searches for a term in a given period, but if everyone clicks on a certain site it has a CTR of 100%. On the other hand there can be millions of searches on a keyword in a given period, but if only 1 in 10 people click on a specific site, it will have a CTR of 10%.
BTW, did the event coincide with any change (even minor one as you may put it) you may have done with the site, or IBLs?
Happy Holidays
Mc
No, no change, I deliberately have avoided tweaking stuff too much since putting the site into the sandbox, also deliberately. I wanted to see how the sandbox works, now I have a pretty good idea. It's predictable by the way, which if there were no sandbox would not be the case. All behaviors fit what I thought, including this last lingering group of pages that are still being sandboxed - how do I know? because the site is now top 20 for keyword phrase, but the page returned is actually not the main page for that keyword phrase, only if the actual keyword phrase page is still in the sandbox, ie, its flag is still true, would I get this secondary page for that keyword phrase, no search engine, including google, has ever confused these pages, mainly because there are authority ibls to that main page, the one still in the sandbox.
Regarding the new 3 week old sites, sounds like the google new site boost, check on those next week, or the week after and see how they are doing. It's always possible too that Google fixes its algo, creates a real full one index version of the web, and whatever else it needs to do, then the sandbox and related events will go away without any fanfare, these forums will remain the best place to see if and when that's happened.
How about links to the site? No new links and no links removed? How about changes in links to the sites linking to the site?
