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I'm seeing live Brandy results now

Is this across the board?

         

Liane

4:04 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am finally seeing the Brandy index in the regular SERPS. Is this the real deal or is it still cycling?

caveman

10:51 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There's a blatant old-timey spammer popping up on one set of SERP's we follow. No one bothered with him cause he never did that well on G. Now he's in #2 or #3 spot. Won't last, if only cause a single spam report will sink him for ever.

Also see: Doorway pages all over the place, unimportant subpages hanging around while important homepages on several key sites gone, lots of those .gov-y sites back...

Really I think even worse that Florida. Strange indeed. More so if these go live every so often.

zafile

10:55 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)



I searched 66.102.7.98 for miserable failure and I still get the White House site. Gone is the lady Senator's site.

Powdork

11:05 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Back to amazon in the top ten selling a book thats completely outdated and useless. Its a review of businesses that don't exist anymore. I should know since I bought the domain from the author (who gave up on selling the book) two years ago. That and duplicate stuff moving from the second page to the front. They finally got it back together and now its all going haywire again. I'm seeing no difference on 66* and www.

Auteuil

11:07 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The www results here in Australia for the money phrases serps have just been "cleansed" of one of the blatant affiliate spammers that automatically redirected when one would click on the link in the serps.

As that spammer was one of the ones that I reported to Google using the brandyupdate keyword, it looks to me that GG has been given the ok to deal with at least some of the spammers that we have been reporting to him.

Powdork

11:12 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow, and then they were gone. The wierd thing is, sometimes they switch dc's when you are looking at page 1. So you go to page two and the new datacenter has many of the same pages you just saw on page one, now on page 2. Its weird.

IITian

11:12 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I searched 66.102.7.98 for miserable failure and I still get the White House site. Gone is the lady Senator's site.

I won't be surprised if pretty soon Google's home page will show up as #1! ;)

Anyway, I am doing great but unpredictable movements in the serps are becoming quite frequent. Consistency seems to be missing even in the non-competitive keywords.

caveman

11:17 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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They finally got it back together and now its all going haywire again.

Plus, reports are surfacing of G *reappearing* in Y!'s SERP's.

So here's a nightmare scenario for you:

Y! reverts back to G for the time being. G goes live with 66.

66 becomes the primary set of SERP's on: G + Y! + A0L

Where's my wine opener. Have a nice weekend everybody. :-)

mrwhy2k

11:24 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Powdork
do a search on 66, and then click "search" 10 times...
You'll see different results each time, some of the look like 64 others do not

mipapage

11:24 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Plus, reports are surfacing of G *reappearing* in Y!'s SERP's.

I think they said in the press release tha they are 'phasing out google results' - gave me the impression that it's not like throwing a switch...

SEOQuestions

11:49 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I, for one, am seeing unreal results on 66.102.7.98 on occasion. Number 1 for the only search term I care about has, for the first time ever (#1 Florida, #1 Austin), dropped a bit in the ranking - to a completely irrelevant result. I would be the first to cheer the drop in the ranking of Mr. #1 stronghold b/c the site is a relic that has been around forever and is painfully old school BUT even I have to admit that the new stuff is junk by comparison.

g1smd

12:12 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I haven't got involved in Update threads for a few months as none of my sites moved a single position.

However something quite different just happened.

First some background:

I have a friend who began to receive a growing amount of spam by email about a year ago. Being one of the contact points for a UK national organisation, many other websites had printed his email address, and it was being spidered and harvested there. The website of the organisation itself had protected the email address by using document.write statements to stop it being spidered. I was aware of some of the sites that had published the email address in plain text or as a clickable link, and we contacted them to get the address removed. We used Google to look for more, but aware of various log spam scams, and fake sites, I always used just name@subdomain in the search box, rather than the full name@subdomain.domain.com email address, to find sites that had included the email address in their content. We found loads of genuine sites and contacted all of them to get the address removed from their pages.

However, at the end of the SERPs was a set of odd results: a group of pages where the URL was just the IP number and a filename 123.456.789.123/filename.txt, and the Google description just a short list of email addresses, including the email address we were trying to get removed. We did not click this link. This looked like some sort of scam. We copied the URL from the Google results, and pasted it into a new window (didn't want to send any sort of referrer information to the site). This site just listed thousands of email addresses as plain text. Most wierd. Is that the results file of an email harvester or what? We got most of the other (genuine) sites to remove the email address from their content, a long time ago, but still have no idea what to do about the last email list site. They have no other content than these long lists of email addresses and the server root does not allow access. How do we get them to drop the email address off their site?

A month or two ago, I accidentally clicked the link to this email list site (thereby sending a referrer of www.google.com/search?num=100&q=name@subdomain to the site. Just a few days later some new results appeared in the SERPs for the name@subdomain search. One of them is www.name@subdomain.spamsite.com, which has a Google description which includes my partial email address name@subdomain (not the full name@subdomain.domain.com email address), as well as a load of random words. Clicking this link opens at least 10 windows and tries to set 7 or 8 cookies. It is a porn site (of course). Unchecked, it crashes Mozilla after about 30 seconds. So now there is a site with a URL that includes my extremely rare name@subdomain search, a search that I suspect has not been carried out by any other person on the planet except me.

The other new results also look like spammy URLs, and these also offer the partial name@subdomain email address in the Google description along with many other random words. Clicking any of those results either gives a 500 Server Error or goes to the same porn site with multiple popup windows.

In the SERPs the original sites with just the very long lists of email addresses as content were the very last sites in the results. The new spam porn sites are listed near the end of the results, but are placed just before the original email list sites in the results. All of these scam sites are listed after the normal looking results.

Over the next few weeks more and more of these pages appeared in that SERP. There have been several dozen like it, with some minor variations of which ones were included, and in which order, from day to day.

A few hours ago, they were all still there.

I looked again a few minutes ago, and every single one had gone. All of them. Not one left.

needinfo

12:18 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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on 66.102.7.98 I can see a couple of sites on the top page showing fresh dates of 17th Feb then next refresh a few seconds later and the fresh date disappears, then it's back again etc.. etc..

I've never seen this before.

sorry 19th Feb fresh date

[edited by: needinfo at 12:22 am (utc) on Feb. 21, 2004]

g1smd

12:19 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oh, and the above posting by me referred to www.

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>> I can see a couple of sites on the top page showing fresh dates of 17th Feb <<

I am seeing 19th Feb fresh dates on some listings on www.

On 66.102.7.98 I have seen some 18th Feb fresh tags.

apfinlaw

12:50 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Definitely changes afoot @ main www.
Slipping couple of notches on the $ KWs
checking dance tool (do a search on google dance tool) seeing big diff w/ www. 2 and 3

Ledfish

1:07 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just one word.....pathetic!

For all the supposed intellect Google has, there are fumbling so bad....it's really getting pathetic.

mrwhy2k

1:09 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't see any change on www2 or www3 yet, and hopefully I won't. Right now these SERPs are too unstable to make any sense of them.

Liane

1:29 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think we all get it ... the SERPS at the various data centers are all over the place. Perhaps this is what GG meant about having to do a "restart" tonight.

Why not take some time off until something significant starts to happen ... like at least a few hours of settled results. Right now, nobody can make sense of it so why keep rehashing the obvious?

I'm going to read some other threads about Yahoo and see if I can make sense of them! :)

snark

1:30 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ledfish, I second the motion. Wholeheartedly.

why2kit

1:50 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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sod it - I'm off to the pub!

Auteuil

3:38 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I spoke too soon - A couple of pages back in this thread I stated that a spammer that I had reported to Google had been "cleansed" from the money phrase serps - Wrong. I may have been a bit tired at the time and just missed his continuing appearance in the serps.

So, unless someone can indicate otherwise, I am assuming that GoogleGuy's statement about getting the ok to go ahead with the removal of spam in the Brandy serps that has been reported to him, has not yet borne fruit. Patience is called for I guess.

Ledfish

4:33 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Auteuil

Your expecting Google to actually do something like acting on spam reports? You have about as much chance as winning the lotto, which by the way I didn't win tonight.

Not trying to make it personal, just trying to offer some good advice and help you adjust your expectations.

GoogleGuy

6:12 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ledfish, I just checked specifically for your WebmasterWorld nick on spamreports and in our email queue. I didn't find anything that matched?

cabbie

6:22 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've got to say that for all the brickbats that google get here,its amazing that GoogleGuy takes the time late on a Friday night to specifically help those that are weilding the brickbats.
I nominate GG for the nobel peace prize.
Cheers Sir and my full admiration.

GoogleGuy

6:28 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I ever get a life, webmasters everywhere will mourn. :)

Auteuil

6:31 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ledfish,

I respect your right to express your view about Google not acting on spam reports. However, to tell me what to expect or not was, with respect, unnecessary. Like most people here, I am not naive about Google's strengths and weaknesses.

This is my take on this issue -

GoogleGuy has repeatedly stated in posts in this thread, and the original Brandy thread, that he wanted spam reports and other feedback from people here. He also went so far, a day or two ago, to say that he was seeking the ok to deal with the spammers.

If Google acts on the spam reports that GoogleGuy requested, then Google, surfers and bona fide site operators gain, so well and good. If Google doesn't act on the spam reports nothing is lost, so well and good again. So why not just expect nothing, while asking for something, and hope for the best.

steveb

6:31 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"If I ever get a life"

Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Here, you can have mine, I'm not using it.

IITian

6:44 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"If I ever get a life"

I think he has a life. Didn't he see the movie Lost in Translation last week while we were quickly moving from 64.x to 216.x to 66.x and forth and were lost in tranlating serps from Dutch to German to English to French and Chinese and so on. :)

GoogleGuy

7:10 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Too funny, IITian. :) Just for that, I'm leaving work and heading home to sleeeeeeepppp...

Abigail

7:40 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"If I ever get a life, webmasters everywhere will mourn."

Ain't it the truth!

Roomy

7:42 am on Feb 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think he should just tell us what the Algo is we can all go home and get some sleep then.
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