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I'm seeing live Brandy results now

Is this across the board?

         

Liane

4:04 pm on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am finally seeing the Brandy index in the regular SERPS. Is this the real deal or is it still cycling?

flobaby

4:35 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ew. You're right, trimmer,all the 64s look different than they have in days. I must remain calm, I must remain calm...

bpal

4:39 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I guess I should have hope. Even if my sites have not been doing well (for a whole day now) I shouldn't give up. I mean all of you who have been doing it for a while seem to be happy with it. Something must be right.

borisbaloney

4:57 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What is it about web cams (and video cameras in general) that makes people want to pull faces and do stupid things?

metrostang

5:00 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy speaks the truth. Looks like they flipped the switch. Results for every datacenter I can find are the same as those on 64 and I like the way it looks. Hopefully the next change won't be until they update with fresh pages.

Auteuil

5:06 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy, you have asked for feedback as well as spam reports - I have already emailed a spam report about the Brandy serps in my area of, ahem, expertise, the money phrase searches. So here is some other feedback about those serps.

The Brandy changes have allowed more information pages in the serps than had been the case since mid-November last. That fact has not really displaced pages from commercial sites in that sector. I believe that an effective balance between the two has been achieved. (The heavy spamming of the serps by pages with affiliate links is another matter, which I explained in my e-mail several days ago, so no chapter and verse about that here. Can I hear a collective sigh of relief?)

trimmer80

5:09 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I still think it is strange that 64 has had the same results for days (looked good for me) and i only saw them go live for a couple of hours in that time. Then just before the switch, it completely changes? went from number 1 to 25.

Ledfish

5:26 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Trimmer, Same thing here, on a phrase I was #6 on the 64 serps, now I'm #73 and continuing to drop in the last few hours.

GG, did the 64 results from last week get merged with the old results? I mean things look so different now.

Ledfish

5:30 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Update, just dropped another 20 spots to #93. What the heck, at this rate by morning I'll be gone again!

Also under this key phrase, I can see 4 sites with double listing, not indented, but seperate listing within the top 35 and a 5th site in the top 71 results.

[edited by: Ledfish at 5:39 am (utc) on Feb. 20, 2004]

Auteuil

5:32 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The changes / drops in the rankings reported in the last few posts have not occurred (yet?) in relation to the serps in my area of interest. I wonder whether that could that be due to the fact that I have been looking at the www and 64* results from Australia.

dauction

5:34 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Somethings clearly wrong..GoogleGuy .. tell your production person they are pulling the WRONG switches! lol

MedCenter

5:42 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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When I see people saying they suddenly disappeared for lots of KW or a long ways for a KW, it makes me wonder what methods they are employing for SEO.

Personally, I havn't moved an inch for placement since the first 64 results last week. If anything, I slid up a bit after I added some content to my site and semantics.

Top 3 for over 70 competitive single KW's btw.
#1 for 700 for 2 word phrases.

SEO isn't about one formula. If you do one thing well, you will definately be in and out of the game. It's about being an authority and doing a LOT of things well.

My 3 cents.

dauction

5:48 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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wellmedcenter put your 3 cents back in your pocket..this has nothing to do with any bad "seo" practices..

I have been at this many years and I dont neither employ nor approve of any BS methods for getting to the top.

What I am seeing IS authority sites dropped

flobaby

5:51 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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it makes me wonder what methods they are employing for SEO.

Puleeze, I am SO sick of people subtly (and not so subtly) accusing others of spamming around here. Could it be that an actual algorithm might affect rankings?

Sheesh!

Ledfish

6:01 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Personally, the only SEO I use are Bretts 12 Steps. And I can hardly see how my SEO tactics have anything to do with Google listing multiple pages, again not indented but seperate listing for 7 other domains under a keyphrase I'm looking at.

Is someone suggesting that due to my SEO or Lack of it, that google is and should right fully so, be punishing me by give my competitors multiple listings under the same phrases.....that would be a stretch!

IITian

6:05 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>Somethings clearly wrong..GoogleGuy .. tell your production person they are pulling the WRONG switches! lol

My feelings too. Instead of www starting to look like 64.x it appears to be the other way around.

bpal

6:10 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So GG, how about getting with Brett and updating that 12 step list for the new algo changes? Pretty please?

GoogleGuy

6:13 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey, I believe that the 64 changes should be at pretty much all data centers. There may be a restart needed later tonight though.

cabbie

6:27 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Top 3 for over 70 competitive single KW's btw.
#1 for 700 for 2 word phrases.

Thats funny Medcenter.I can only find one serp you are in and thats at no#5.
Cheers

tigger

6:33 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Hey, I believe that the 64 changes should be at pretty much all data centers. There may be a restart needed later tonight though

would that include the UK? I'm still not seeing it

trimmer80

6:46 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google guy, what I am saying is that the results from 64 have significantly changed since/as they went live a few hours ago. Is this right or could it be a locational thing?(in australia here) I have been monitoring 64 all week and this is the first significant change I have seen.

GoogleGuy

6:48 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It could be newer data percolating in. No index snapshot is going to stay completely static..

Added: We do welcome any feedback at webmaster [at] google.com with the keyword brandyupdate if you have comments..

steveb

7:36 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Two initial observations...

1) This "new 64" does seem a bit weaker than the previous 64 results, and I'm attributing that directly to the new 64 having more "fresh" drivel -- lightweight, pseudo-sites. The previous 64 was (for lack of better words) a deliberate, thoughtful, planned index. It was created from solid data without the influence of fresh piffle. Which means I get to roll back to a rant from eleven months ago -- Google thinks "fresh" is good (like it thinks long URLs are good), when in fact it is not. Fresh pages appearing in the top 20 for a competitive term should simply not happen. The old Google update cycle mostly prevented this lightweight stuff from temporarily doing well. Now we have a revolving door of 10-15% of the top 20 being different piffle. The rest of the results though are solid.

2) I notice the results for:
word1 word1
and
word1 ~word1
are significantly weaker than old 64. I found those two searches brought up very strong sites for one word searches. Now it is still pretty good but not excellent.

george123

9:00 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ilove brandy and Google!thanks Google i love you

salmo

9:17 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Great results, relevant and pretty much spam free, a huge improvement. I'm not saying this only because my sites are doing well, some are, but some are still not there, I say it because the results really are relevant, better than the old Google by far.

UK_Web_Guy

10:11 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GG - I'm sure your not still up now, but if you see this later, what do you mean by "There may be a restart needed later tonight though. "?

surfgatinho

10:11 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I must be one of those whining webmasters who love Google when their sites are doing good and are looking for a conspiracy when they're not! Anyway I like Google today.
It's like 64.x, only better.
If just found one of my sites that I lost during Florida! :)

Marval

11:03 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Interesting, but what came over and what was on 64.x.x.x earlier are not even close in our sector - significant changes in major keywords and back to the same as before - the change was applied to 64 as well last night - so we are back to the post Austin results (had doubts that what was looking like a good index on Brandy would stick)

Roomy

11:18 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Back to pre brandy here with some real dross in the SERPS

vbjaeger

1:04 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing slight shifts, as to be expected, on the .64 results. I am hoping they continue to propogate. These results look much better than Google's new competitors.

3rdWaveEd

1:58 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy - kudos on all your efforts. Can you offer any comment on the (?reduced) presence/impact of Blogs in the Brandy results?
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