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I checked with a few of my freinds and it seems this is not the same for everyone as yet. Maybe this is the start of the big switch?
I am in the UK but using www.yahoo.com
Ewan
Yahoo using Ink would be the first stupid thing they have done in over a year and half. They might do it, but it sure would make more sense to first integrate AV and AlltheWeb rather than roll out something halfbaked that would change a few months later.
Yahoo using Ink would be the first stupid thing they have done in over a year and half.
Uh... how is that dumb? Stupid would be buying Inktomi and NOT using their search results.
They might do it, but it sure would make more sense to first integrate AV and AlltheWeb rather than roll out something halfbaked that would change a few months later.
As I understand it, Ink, Fast, and AV are all going to have seperate/different results, and will all be treated as seperate engines. It wouldn't make much sense to have 2 more Inktomi search portals, would it?
-p
Uh, their results are drasstically inferior to Google's. Yahoo's model has been to incorporate several data streams into search results, specifically saying they would include "other" data with Google.
Inktomi is not a competitor with Google, and it is certainly not Yahoo's business plan to go toe to toe that way. People have been posting that silly idea since January, and Yahoo has been raking in the coin all that time by using search results far superior to what Ink offers.
Not for my keywords. Google travel results are filled with spam, but Ink actually provides useful returns. Same for my real estate sites.
Uh, their results are drasstically inferior to Google's.
Seeing as how Inktomi has an editorial team that goes through random URL's (both paid inclusion AND free inclusion), I don't see how their results can be worse. Last I checked the editorial team at Google was people trying to bust search engine marketing firms with doorway pages.
Do you guys know what re****s will be showing on yahoo after switch to INK?
That was just uncalled for. I'm not even going to dignify that.
-panic
Do you guys know what re****s will be showing on yahoo after switch to INK?
How can I improve my web rankin on INKTOMI
Notice these two quotes are from the same person, and are a little over 24 hours apart. :P
Anyhow, about the link popularity question... in what I've seen, link popularity on Inktomi weighs heavier than Google.
-panic
I have no knowledge of search engine algos - I do know, however, that my sites - which are content heavy and on-keyword but have very few backlinks - take top-10 positions in Ink (and just about every other SE) but are at 75 or worse in Google.
That limited sample of two sites proves absolutely nothing, of course ;)
I did witness the inktomi results on someone elses computer and they were an EXACT match to the pure search on positiontech
I have no knowledge of search engine algos - I do know, however, that my sites - which are content heavy and on-keyword but have very few backlinks - take top-10 positions in Ink (and just about every other SE) but are at 75 or worse in Google.
I actually did a test a few months back with two different domains. The domains were similar, except one had tons of incoming links, and the other did not.
Anyhow, I used the exact same copy for both domains on PFI. Low and behold, the domain with the ton of incoming links was very high in the SERPS for a competitive keyword, while the other was nowhere to be found for the exact same keyword.
-panic
Panic - my experience is not in the least bit scientific, hence the disclaimer in my earlier post ;)
>That limited sample of two sites proves absolutely nothing, of course
I lost many good ranking pages with Google, but I noticed that I am still getting good traffic from Yahoo (actually, the boost from Y started only sometime yesterday, Tuesday).
So, it seems that:
1) either Yahoo is using Ink and I have good rankings with them or
2) Yahoo is using an old Google database
Any ideas?
I think if you go back through this thread, you will see that different people are getting different results from Yahoo. So I don't think there is a simple answer - or even a "right" answer - to your question.
My Yahoo results are definitely not Ink (I wish they were) but are about 10 places different than my pure Google results. So I have no answer.
I am 100% Positive, Yahoo is showing INK now (3:00 AM PST in Arizona on Cox). I am 100% positive.
I actually rank higher for most keywords in Inktomi (especially high volume terms) but Ink, IMHO, just isn't as relevant as Google. The results are sub-par in my book. Lots of broken links and not enough fresh content at the top. Don't get me wrong, it's still an OK search engine, but it's clear that Google still has the upper hand (by a lot if you ask me).
We'll see if it sticks. It's here now though for sure. No doubt about it.
I used to say the same thing before I finally realized that you need to pretty much alternate between Google and Inktomi for the best results. I was taking a college exam online, and since the test is "open book", I saw no harm in looking up the answers in the search engines.
I copied/pasted whole questions into Google, and for the most part, I found most of the answers. The answers I didn't find in Google, were in Inktomi (interestingly enough).
Ink has a lot of good content that Google doesn't have, and vica versa.
I can't even remember the last time I saw a non-relevant search result in Inktomi. I have, however, seen lots of cloaked pages and doorway pages on Google, which of course, had content that was non-relevant to my search term.
Inktomi just has a knack for pulling doorway pages. If you ever see a doorway page indexed in Inktomi (that's not PFI), check it again in about a week or so. I can almost gurantee it wont be there the next time you check.
-panic
I guess in my sphere, I have noticed that Google seems to pull up the most relevant and best results for the stuff I am looking for. My experience was obviously different than yours. I guess I'm not a high enough % of the general population to prove overall superiority of Google :)
At any rate, since my index page was reincluded in Ink (had been dropped for no reason even with PFI), I see excelent placement... I guess I shouldn't complain eh?
I do think that the move to Ink result for Yahoo is generally good for e-businesses. A balance of power is a good thing. SE's can be so volatile... I feel good about the idea of a little bit of a shift from Google (even though I love them) so that we don't have all our eggs in one basket.
At any rate, since my index page was reincluded in Ink (had been dropped for no reason even with PFI), I see excelent placement... I guess I shouldn't complain eh?
Was it dropped or just pushed down in the SERPS?
I feel good about the idea of a little bit of a shift from Google (even though I love them) so that we don't have all our eggs in one basket.
Though this might be off topic, I'm hoping that a third major player will emerge (I'm pretty sure most of you know who that might be :P), not necessarily because I like them, but just to broaden the playing field.
-panic
Having read some of this thread, I compared Inktomi results for the same search. And these too were different. This is totally confusing to me - presuming that Inkt. are now driving Yahoo results, surely these should be identical?
It can't be a half and half affair(google + inktomi), can it?
Plese help :)
It's unlikely the results you're seeing are a mix of Goog and Ink due to contractual atrrangments between Goog and Yahoo.
Pure Web Search [search.positiontech.com] provides one of the least adulterated views of Ink results. Most Ink search providers tweak Ink stuff to their liking and/or add PPC links.
Thanks again
why would results in Google and Yahoo differ?You'll need to ask Yahoo. ;) Seriously, Goog is in the middle of a major update, their results seem to vary every few hours. I suspect Goog customers may be using "less dynamic" results. Try doing your searches on each engine simultaneously and see if they are more similar.
