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hey Google - don't auto-update my toolbar!

auto-patching software is a big no-no

         

amznVibe

1:43 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I was quite thrown when my Google toolbar suddenly sprouted new buttons and options!

Seems with the new toolbar going from beta to final they decided to push it onto all desktops.

Don't do this Google! Huge no-no! Can't you see all the flak Microsoft is taking for their automatic system update proposal? Don't touch my system without a warning and the ability to opt-out!

I was so surprised a company like Google would do an action like that. Very un-Google like.

I liked the old toolbar and I don't need any features in the new one. The old toolbar had a more compact layout since the search web button was integrated.

Now I have to rip out the v2 and reinstall the old one while blocking the auto-update.

ThatAdamGuy

7:23 pm on Aug 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I think we've stumbled upon something! Google is planning on updating the toolbar to install Mind Operational Mapping.

It works by first assessing one's current mental processes ("Must boost Google rankings!") and remapping them with more sound and sustainable processes (e.g., "Must remember to wash behind ears daily!" and "Must communicate with son F2F instead of just over IM" and "Must turn off computer and seek out natural light" and "Must consume something other than Coke(tm) and Snickers(tm)")

Over time, Google will have slowly cultivated a cult of more productive citizens!

De-install your toolbar while you still can :O

Chndru

7:26 pm on Aug 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> Mind Operational Mapping. << i thought MOMs use to do it..now google eh? LOL @ Adamguy

Net_Wizard

4:14 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)



Guys :)

It's easy to criticize people who voice out against the majority or in this case against a popular search engine(for the moment) a.k.a. Google.

The issue of this thread is not about 'if you don't like it then don't install it'.

Just some points to remember;

1. When users downloaded and installed the Google Toolbar, are they aware of this auto-update?

-a. It's in the FAQ - see msg #99 why that is not remotely possible before download.

-b. It's in the Toolbar Privacy Policy - let me quote it for you...

Periodically, the Google Toolbar contacts our servers to see if you are running the most current version. If necessary, we will automatically provide you with the latest update to the Google Toolbar.

Unless my grammar is wrong, how would you interpret the sentence...
If necessary, we will automatically provide you with the latest update to the Google Toolbar.

?

-c. Automatic update of 'other features' - version is not a feature.

2. Did the users have agreed to auto-update according to Google Toolbar Terms of Use?
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This is not about 'the software'. It's about security. It's about trust. It's about how Google treat you...us.

The big questions is...Why is Google doing this?

Because it cares about you or me? If that's what you think, fine. I thought, I was the naive one.

Net_Wizard

4:44 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)



I found this in my computer

ActiveX control ID{8EDAD21C-3584-4E66-A8AB-EB0E5584767D}
codebase:http://toolbar.google.com/data/GoogleActivate.cab

which is dependent on 2 other components,

activate.dll
activate.inf

located in my C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files folder.

I wonder what are they for? Any idea? :)

wkitty42

5:21 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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with all this talk about the google toolbar, is anyone aware of the client that it may also carry for doing genomeing or protein folding in stanford's distributed folding@home scientific research on proteins and genomes? ;)

MonkeeSage

5:37 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Net_Wizard:

I just pulled a copy of the cabnit file there. It contains the dll and the inf files you mentioned. The dll doesn't look unusual, except it imports one function (WinVerifyTrust) from wintrust.dll. Haven't seen that one before. All of the other imports look pretty run of the mill.

If I had to guess I would say it is the core of the toolbar (InternetCloseHandle, InternetOpenA, InternetOpenUrlA, InternetReadFile are imported from wininet.dll). Just a guess though.

Jordan

amznVibe

5:53 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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for those that want to roll back to 1.1.70

1. Download the non-activex 1.1.70 full installer
[b]win2K/winXP[/b]
http://toolbar.google.com/data/en/big/1.1.70-big/GoogleToolbarInstaller.exe
[b]win9x/winME[/b]
http://toolbar.google.com/data/en/deleon/1.1.70-deleon/GoogleToolbarInstaller.exe

2. In your firewall, for "[b]toolbar.google.com[/b]" block the phrase "[b]/version[/b]"
if you do not have a firewall, you can instead add this to your HOSTS file
[b]toolbar.google.com 127.0.0.1[/b]
however this is not as flexible and may block other desired features with the toolbar

3. Install the 1.1.70 version you downloaded and fine tune your options.

claus

8:53 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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wintrust.dll is used to communicate with secure pages in IE afaik

/claus

steveb

9:10 am on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"I wonder what are they for?"

Directional vectors for the black helicopters.

Net_Wizard

12:43 pm on Aug 27, 2003 (gmt 0)



>Directional vectors for the black helicopters.

Yeah, some even suggest that it can turn your Monitor into one giant video cam.

That would be great, only if Google would care to share how you look Steve ;)

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