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hey Google - don't auto-update my toolbar!

auto-patching software is a big no-no

         

amznVibe

1:43 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I was quite thrown when my Google toolbar suddenly sprouted new buttons and options!

Seems with the new toolbar going from beta to final they decided to push it onto all desktops.

Don't do this Google! Huge no-no! Can't you see all the flak Microsoft is taking for their automatic system update proposal? Don't touch my system without a warning and the ability to opt-out!

I was so surprised a company like Google would do an action like that. Very un-Google like.

I liked the old toolbar and I don't need any features in the new one. The old toolbar had a more compact layout since the search web button was integrated.

Now I have to rip out the v2 and reinstall the old one while blocking the auto-update.

Imaster

8:35 pm on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What a crazy thread. You opt-in to auto-updating when you install the toolbar. Sheesh.

I know this may sound crazy, but most of the times, most of us simply click yes for downloading tools/softwares without reading in depth. But it certainly is more helpful if the auto-update process takes place after a small confirmation before downloading the new version.

Of course, since we opted-in, Google has every right to auto-download, but as I mentioned a little "There is a new upgrade available, do you want to download and install it" certainly goes a long way.

I was shocked when I noticed the new one. In fact, I prefer the version before this one, because it has a bigger area assigned for using the "backward links", "cached snapshot", etc [The blue i (exclamation)]

netguy

9:26 pm on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>What a crazy thread.... Sheesh.

steveb, I'm not sure where you are coming from on this. It is a common courtesy, if nothing else, to let a person know they are slamming something new on your system.

I have different computers for different tasks. If Microsoft slammed the latest browser on me every time they had a new revision, I wouldn't have different versions to test my sites on. [What Microsoft DOES do, is give me periodic messages saying that this or that is available, and its my option to download it].

As toddski07 said, its good to wait to hear from the others to see if there are any problems or conflicts first. [My experience has been, "pioneers are the ones with the arrows in their backs," and lord knows I still have the holes to prove it].

While many users won't be concerned, the rest of us like to maintain a certain amount of control over the machines that make us our living, regardless of whether it is opt-in or not.

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amznVibe

12:42 am on Aug 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Where in the terms does it say that Google will update it automatically at their descresion?
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I mean those are some very specific terms, and I cannot find such a statement.

Happy to say after 24+ hours my block is working fine on several machines and the 1.1.70 version is still purring away.

Fortunately the terms also don't say I cannot run an old version. Since I didn't tamper with the program itself directly, I cannot be violating the agreement.

takagi

2:19 am on Aug 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1.1.70 version is still purring away

If you are using the toolbar for 6 months or more, you most likely never installed version 1.1.70 (until yesterday) but an older version that was later automatically updated to the 1.1.70 version.

March 5: 1.1.70 [webmasterworld.com]

Feb. 28: 1.1.69 [webmasterworld.com]

Feb. 6: 1.1.68 [webmasterworld.com]


This automatic update isn't something new for the Google toolbar:

It would be nice if they informed the user of the dynamic updates somewhere.
Toolbar updated? [webmasterworld.com] Apr 5, 2001

It's scary because I was never asked if I wanted this upgrade or not.
Google toolbar self updated to 1.1.57-deleon [webmasterworld.com] June 22, 2002

It updates itself without asking me!
Google Fixes Security Flaws in Search Toolbar [webmasterworld.com] Aug 9, 2002

Blocking a Toolbar Update [webmasterworld.com]

Toolbar automatic upgrade? I am still at 1.1.63 [webmasterworld.com].

amznVibe

4:08 am on Aug 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, the previous v1.x updates snuck past me as I had already allowed the toolbar to go through my firewall, thinking it was completely well behaved.

Fortunately I had saved the full executable version of 1.1.70 back in March, so ripping out the v2 version and going back to v1 was fairly easy.

Problem solved. Didn't know there was a previous discussion on self-updates, not something I normally look for (and it didn't turn up in a casual search here). Again, just a very surprising behavior compared to typical Google thinking.

rytis

11:19 am on Aug 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This morning my Outlook Express takes 15 seconds to launch, instead of usual 2 sec, I did not install any software nor changed system settings. Only Google toolbar auto-update took place. Uninstalling toolbar did not help, but how do I know they did nothing to my system. VERY bad move Google :(

vik_c

11:53 am on Aug 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My Google toolbar doesn't display PR. Google should do something to fix these bugs. I've reinstalled it a dozen times already.

ciml

12:12 pm on Aug 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Before I downloaded the Toolbar, I clicked "I AGREE TO THE TERMS OF USE - INSTALL THE GOOGLE TOOLBAR". I honestly can't remember whether I read them or not.

Anyway, the next step has big red text; "PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY IT'S NOT THE USUAL YADA YADA". At that point, it seems reasonable to consider the consequences of sending URLs to Google, and of "other features that update automatically".

It would be nice if the Toolbar had an auto-updating option for for people who install without 'advanced features', but for those of us who do use the PageRank graph I can why Google mightn't want us to have the option of querying their servers with old Toolbar versions.

Interent Yogi

12:37 pm on Aug 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What google taking tips from realplayer network. They will be trying to get in the start up soon :(

claus

12:55 pm on Aug 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, you can do all kinds of interesting things with toolbars and other BHOs. Autoupdate is, afaik, "the usual yada yada" hidden in terms of most such downloads, and for exact these reasons. You don't want your users to get concerned every time you wish to install something new on their system or do whatever you do, seeing update-popups and install warnings. In stead you just want to (be able to) go ahead and do it.

I'm pretty sure G does not want to take over my machine or purge the content of my disk, i'm also pretty sure they won't be lauching popups on the fly or replacing ads on non-AS sites with adsense ads. Not completely sure, but pretty sure. So they're probably not the black sheep of the family, that is. But they do have the same reason for it - it's in their interest to be in control, and it's also good in the case where bugs are just corrected without alarming or even notifying users - good for PR that is; users never will (need to) find out about bugs.

Still, it's an issue of "who controls my machine?" - i'd personally like it to be me.

/claus

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