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hey Google - don't auto-update my toolbar!

auto-patching software is a big no-no

         

amznVibe

1:43 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I was quite thrown when my Google toolbar suddenly sprouted new buttons and options!

Seems with the new toolbar going from beta to final they decided to push it onto all desktops.

Don't do this Google! Huge no-no! Can't you see all the flak Microsoft is taking for their automatic system update proposal? Don't touch my system without a warning and the ability to opt-out!

I was so surprised a company like Google would do an action like that. Very un-Google like.

I liked the old toolbar and I don't need any features in the new one. The old toolbar had a more compact layout since the search web button was integrated.

Now I have to rip out the v2 and reinstall the old one while blocking the auto-update.

amznVibe

2:12 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If anyone else wants to block this update, apparently the toolbar makes this url call:

[toolbar.google.com...]

(depending on your version/browser, the dll= part obviously will different)

and it sends back this:
[toolbar.google.com...]

skipfactor

2:58 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Microsoft will now be forcing upgrades for IM & they're discussing it for Windows. etc. after MSBlast. If only Netscape would do the same for their legacy browsers.

amznVibe

3:03 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You talk about that like its a good thing? Auto-updates without the option to opt-out are not just annoying, they are a nightmare for system administrators.

No matter how "annoying" a netscape 4 user is, I would never FORCE them to update. Making them aware of the issue and giving a suggested link is an entirely different matter.

MarkHutch

3:24 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You talk about that like its a good thing? Auto-updates without the option to opt-out are not just annoying, they are a nightmare for system administrators.

I use to feel the same way, but the very fact that thousands of Internet users refuse to update operating system software and virus definitions, it's getting to the point that maybe some critical updates should be automatic. Shame on me, I thought most people had anti-virus software on their computers these days, but either people don't or they are not updating their definitions which is causing a giant pain in the butt for everyone that makes their income from the Internet. I admit that I am tired of dealing with run away viruses because people refuse to be responsible.

When I was young, if you wanted to go to school you had to get vaccinations. Maybe the Internet should be the same way. If you want to enjoy the wonderful things the Internet has to offer, you have to be responsible or you have to leave.

skipfactor

3:28 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well I was just saying it can be a good thing, even for a sys admin; I get way more inquiries about, "What is this opt-out, err do I hit OK or CANCEL, HELP, OMG!?" than I do, "What's this new button thingy?".

Don't touch my system without a warning and the ability to opt-out!

Don't forget that big 'ol "I AGREE TO EVERYTHING..." button:

"You acknowledge that Google or third parties own all right, title and interest in and to the Google Toolbar, portions thereof, or software provided through or in conjunction with the Google Toolbar, including without limitation all Intellectual Property Rights."

[toolbar.google.com...]

amznVibe

3:59 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No agreement such as Google's says they can come into your computer and change the software. This is a very old argument, older than browser wars and os wars. They have no idea what conflicts the new version might cause, if it might cause a critical system to suddenly stop working as intended. Huge liability problem too.

If they insist on doing that, at least give a checkbox in the options that says something like "I actually know what I am doing, don't make choices for me and don't update my software without my knowledge".

Say what you want about Microsoft (and I say plenty, LoL) at least in their control panel you can turn off "auto-updates" entirely.

Meanwhile, I have told my firewall to block "/version" from "toolbar.google.com" and this has solved the auto-update issues without any conflicts.

toddski07

5:07 am on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What the *$x%! I thought I was going crazy seeing my toolbar buttons completely change before my eyes. Couldn't figure out what was up. One browser window had version 1.x and another window had v2.0. Now all windows are displaying the version 2.0 toolbar.

This toolbar auto update by Google is a load of you know what. I agree that they should at least give people the option to checkoff or uncheck whether the darn thing updates on its own. Grant...I would have updated at some point but they should not just PUSH it out to all people automatically. I like to wait a bit to see if people have conflicts with software etc. before grabbing certain updates. Gggrrrrr!

I am a longtime lurker (unfortunately) but I had to post my frustrations on this matter. Man...that really irks me.

Todd

netguy

7:10 pm on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google's new 2.0 toolbar just auto updated when I rebooted, and I'm not happy about this AT ALL!

I, like most everyone else in the world has known where to go to update to 2.0 - if we had the desire to do so.

... I'm now starting to question how invasive Google actually is in a variety of departments.

skipfactor

7:34 pm on Aug 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Even if you don't agree to the fact that once you click the big "I AGREE" button, you've opted-in to the software's terms of use, this was BETA software.

I'm sure the fine print that you "agreed" to prior to downloading this free softwareto gives them power to uninstall or update buggy beta software as they see fit, and rightly so.

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