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I have never seen such a change in the top 20 listing of my keyword, All my competiters and myself have gone!
Something is not right here at all :(
I can't find a single one of my sites
Or I have been awake waaaaaaay too long.
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Ok, now I understand.
The goal of these new Google updates, is to make all the SEO here crazy, and their minds totally burned out by abuse of drugs pills etc.
The evidence of this, is i.ex. experienced people start saying completely opposite statements about the algo changes..
We, however, can react to this.
Let's start to give some fake news, knowing GoogleGuy is there reading.
Example:
"Hey ! Googlebot has spidered all my files who's size is a multiple of 5, and now all these pages have PR 5 !
Great. Now I'll pad ALL my files to achieve the correct sizes. Haha."
OR
"Boo hoo, Google has dropped all my sites I've optimized wearing a white T-shirt.
I'll go make all the necessary changes.
I'll paint all my shoes also, I want to be sure."
So, GoogleGuy start thinking we're by now really crazy, and stop scrambling algos ;)
cminblues
Also, someone theorized that internal links may have been de-emphasized in this update. My observation lends credibility to that theory: My index page (on a different site than above) dropped from #1 to about 150, and it had a lot of internal links with anchor text pointing to it.
In the UK, a site that was banned, (first time back but live for 3 years now) is No1 for one search term in the .co.uk, and is still invisible for search term 2.
However, in www3, for search term 1 it also 1 (for the first time in 12 months) and for search term 2 it is No 5. The key difference between the 2 serps, seems to be that the www serps have the key word in the URL, and the www3 serps do not.
I mean:
www.keyword1-keyword2.com in the www serps for the first 10, with .net, .tv etc(well know way of getting up on Google), while the www3 serps have www.company-name.com, as if the URL is nothing at present.
There seems too much going on to guess.
Any thoughts on this? Tie in with others experience?
Title is still strong but unlikely to be all, and PR is unknown, as the new site has been at a penalty 2 for 12 months. It is in a competitive area, one every one want to sell in!
George
$$$ Down the tubes!
Something not right - Call Dr Lee
[edited by: NFFC at 9:10 pm (utc) on Sep. 27, 2002]
my apologies . . . new user error
I see title as everything, and spam being mercilessly punished. Folks would do well to not focus on their own little universe only.
Unlike what some selfish fellow posted in another thread, I don't care if my site is listed first. I care that the search results are good, fair, accurate, and non-spammy. Clearly that isn't a priority for a lot of people. As long as the results are fair and content-focused, my job is easier... make a great site.
Good Luck to all!
Good luck to all!
After being online for c. 3 weeks, today, the thin green line appeared (then disappeared, then appeared again) on my site's Google toolbar for the first time. There was, however, no record of the 'backward links' I've established.
The main head-scratcher for me is that, for some reason, though all my page listings have title and description tags, the description that now actually appears for all my pages is some often meaningless, out-of-context phrase-fragment taken randomly off of the page. The description that somehow materialized for my homepage, for ex, takes one random phrase and combines it with the very last words on the page - which happen to be a tiny courtesy credit for the person when designed my logo - not good. Is there any way to avoid/change irrelevant descriptions?
As I mentioned in a recent post, I've descried from researching my own highly competitive category, Google's ranking system has always impressed me as chaotic if not random. Sorry to repeating myself, but top listings in mega-keyword categories frequently have negligible PR, with no - that's zero - backward links, and are virtually irrelevant, to boot. Go figure.
Calgon, take me away!
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IMO it would be far better to focus on what seems to be working rather than complain about what you don't like. I'd say it's a safe bet to assume that Google knows what they're doing.
Remember, "The reed that bends with the wind will survive the storm. The strong but inflexible oak tree will shatter in the wind."
Though I tend not to be the griping type, I would encourage all emotions and input regarding how The Update is affecting everyone...It's the only way I can put order to, what seems at times to be an unsolvable algorithm. If I hear of someone freaking out because The Update caused a loss of position and I too have lost position, then maybe together we can figure out how to fix it before the next Update.
[edited by: Hunter at 4:16 am (utc) on Sep. 28, 2002]
I beg to differ. I think someone's forgetting that, far from being a waste, expressing honest feelings and opinions is what bandwidth is for.
it would be far better to focus on what seems to be working
Hmmm, not totally true IMHO.
In fact, in this update a big issue is "dropped/comedown sites", apparently without spam, or at least with no more spam than popped-up sites.
So, seems to me not so useless to point focus on how and why this happened.
cminblues
Not sure about who is confused but I love when people speak their mind. My clients will disagree with you. In fact, if they didn't get tangible results I'd cease to get clients.
Blanket statements are good for one thing, smothering the truth. The latest Google index is nothing more than data to be analyzed in order to provide better optimization. I never look at the index as good or bad, it's just another opportunity to continue the learning process.
Next week it will be business as usual. The SEOs that have been at it awhile took a look at this index, shrugged and started the analysis. Some clients panicked and reached for the phone, others smiled and started preparing for an increase in business. Next month, the exact same thing will occur all over again. I love this business... :)
[edited by: digitalghost at 5:28 am (utc) on Sep. 28, 2002]
I really ought to go in the SEO game. Not only did I hit #1 for a main keyword for me (not that competitive, and this site is non-commercial), I just checked and some small business whose site I SEOed is #1 in Google on the the main keyword phrase again in Google this month. I just noodled around with that site's main page HTML for an hour, and it worked magic. However, I dunno if I'd want to deal with clients reaming me because they got dropped from Google because their host was down for the wrong hour when Googlebot came.
My guess ....PR doesn't have such a big influence anymore.
Anybody different experiences?
Yesterday the new website was finished, so I uploaded it. Today I look at www3.google.com and I notice that the new website has already been cached AND that I've jumped from 2nd to 1st position on that keyword. I know that I've had a date behind my website at Google (so that Google crawls it regularly), but what I didn't know was that you can still change your position then.
So if you have a date after your site, why not try and upload some stuff to raise your position? If it doesn't work, you can always switch back.
