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August 2002 Google Update!

         

Nick_W

9:24 am on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm getting different link counts for WebmasterWorld on all three servers....

Note to mods: Please, delete if I'm wrong, I hate it when people cry wolf but I was always told the link counts were the way to tell....

Nick

twebdonny

3:43 am on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



Still dancing for us...

jen24815

12:59 pm on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What do you think about this:

My site was created in July (first part) it was spidered & indexed at the end of July and debuted at #10 for my main phrase.

When I check www2 and www3, it is NOWHERE to be found for that phrase now (it is in www2 and www3, though, it just won't show for that search), **BUT** on www, when the dance started, it initially moved up to #7 for that phrase and now has moved up to #6 for it.

I'm really afraid it will get dropped b/c of the www2 and www3 results being totally non-existent for the past 2 days.

Since it's moving up in www, do you think I should just ignore www2 and www3?

zeus

3:37 pm on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I also had a great ranking before update, but Im gone on www2, www3 and when I look in the directory Im down with no PR, but I guess thats the way it works on Google you can not trust them, they often loose sites without any reason you will not see that on any other sites, it is there PR system that is mestup sometimes.

zeus

przero2

7:06 pm on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



A site that was out for 3 months owing to DNS move/errors (IP change w/o name server changes) seems to be fully back. It must be possible that prior to the update, Google updated DNS FULLY (I think they do some partial DNS updates before every deep crawl and full DNS updates once in 3 months or so?)!

Shakil

10:49 pm on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



Aol.com and Aol.co.uk seem to be showing latest updated results.

Location: London, UK

Shak

c1bernaught

11:07 pm on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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jen24815/zeus,

I have very similar situation right now with several of my sites. No real explanation as of yet. Googleguy has said that at least one of my sites has no penalty. I suspect it's the same for all of them. This leads me to believe that the new algorithm is so different as to have obliterated the rankings of my websites.

The advice I have been given, and that I am passing on, is to hold tight and wait for the dance to end. Then simply keep working on good content and links.

I can't believe we'll be down forever. Who knows, maybe the next algorithm will place us in the #1 position.

Crazy stuff!

SuperSoup

3:40 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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is this the longest thread ever?

zeus

10:17 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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c1bernaught/jen
I have just send a email to google to ask them why have got a PR0 I have followed any rules, but if I have been banned then my page would be gone but its not, but the links pointing to me a gone but they are still listed in the directory, so it is wierd, but one thing is for sure that is Google is not my no.1 anymore because they just keep mess up there updates there are many regulare sites that have these problems everytime they update. Thats just not PRO enogh.

sune

mack

11:11 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I just went from PR6 to "grey"

Is this a penalty???

Also showing no back links on www www2 www3 :(

[edited by: mack at 11:17 am (utc) on Aug. 25, 2002]

martin

11:13 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think it is over now. Same results showing up on www and www2.

zeus

11:17 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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mack

I have the same problem a PR0, I dont think it is a penalty, because then they would delate you out of the index.

zeus

mack

11:19 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, no information is available for the URL mydomain.co.uk

I would like to introduce myself as the newest member of the PR0 club :(

coolshop

11:26 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No, I still see differences.

mack

11:31 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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im seeing stable www www2 www3 but the category where I was listed is aboyt 1/4 the size it used to be.

Does greyed out tool bar indecate penalty?

clickclick

11:48 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Mack

Your Directory page shows a PR5 on my browser (in Lancashire UK)

makemetop

11:49 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)



>Does greyed out tool bar indecate penalty?

It can indicate either:

a) The site has not been indexed by Google. This could be due to your server being down at the time of crawl, insufficient links or another technical glitch.

or

b) You have been removed from the Google index for rule infringement.

It is unusual for (b) to occur - it is more often (a) and you may well appear next time around. But if it is (b) - someone at Google needs to lift the penalty for you to re-appear. (b) is not the same as a PR0. PR0 sites remain within the index and usually continue to be spidered.

mack

11:55 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have emaled google to ask if there is a penalty. To be honest I am not holding my breath waiting for a reply.

Bradley

10:46 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone officially state that the dance is over? If so, its time to go check my rankings.

Helpmebe1

11:05 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Bradley,
It appears to be over.. cant say for certain but I think it is

Pushycat

11:18 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it's over yet. My site has moved up to the #1 spot on the page on www2 and www3 but it's still in its old spot near the bottom of the page on www and on whatever the toolbar uses.

shewhoguards

11:33 pm on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My theory:-

Google this update has put more weight on recently updated page. I'm finding a lot of my categories suddenly clean of dead sites that hadn't been updated in a forever - which is a GOOD thing as they'd been cluttering the results for a forever.

Dropped people - had you updated recently? You might find that you haven't been penalised, just.. cleaned out, as Google didn't know if you were uptodate anymore. Try updating, and see what happens next month.

Me, I like these new results. Personally, I'm sick of trawling through websites last updated in 1998 to find a site that's still relevant. Much nicer this way :-)

europeforvisitors

1:20 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)



Me, I like these new results. Personally, I'm sick of trawling through websites last updated in 1998 to find a site that's still relevant.

Google indexes pages, not sites, and I think it's highly unlikely that:

1) Google would raise or lower the placement of a page according to its age (since an older page on an "evergreen" topic may be more relevant than a new one); or...

2) Google would find it practical to monitor how often a *site* was updated (or a home page, for that matter) and apply that information to individual pages throughout the site.

jen24815

2:00 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm not certain it's over either...

I'm still seeing no sign whatsoever of my site in the results for my main phrase on www2 and www3, but I've moved from #10 to #6 on www.

I got zilch for Google referrers this afternoon, but got quite a few the last 1/2 hour, which leads me to guess that she's still dancing.

john316

2:16 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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results showing on aol

colemanator

4:12 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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How does the crawling work in regard to the www2 and www3? My site appears to have been updated there, but not in www. I was crawled on the 24th.

zeus

11:32 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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cole the update is not finish, so you site will show up in www if it was spidered in july

zeus

zeus

11:42 am on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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1 thing I think this is long update this time, but I still have a PR0, but since it is so long a update there can still be hope.

zeus

Visit Thailand

12:04 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Wouldn't the fact that PR has stabilised for those with changes indicate that it has finished ? One of our sites was jumping around with pr from X to Z but now that has all stopped.

zeus

12:17 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well we are close to the end and the most of the sites with a PR, will not see the big changes anymore.

zeus

DrOliver

2:03 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Switzerland: the dance is over. Results seem stable. And gosh, do I like the results :)
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