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Nick
Let's us all hope and pray that Google finds a happy medium and stops Waffling back and forth between what appears to be a decent algorythm and a "Test" algorythm. I can't imagine that AOL moved away from Inktomi just to end up with similar, irrelevant, lousy search results that have seen popping up on Google recently.
I have faith in Google.........to bad it has to be a blind one.
I've a lot of keyword-domain-keyword sites, but all clean, no pop-ups, no redirects, no javascript/activeX exploiting IE, no at all any links-exchange stuff, all well ranked until 4 days ago.
Now, I have 90% of my sites greyed, and all that I see now is, for 'my' keyws, a lot of crappy-popupped-redirecting-withoutcontent sites.
I wish only know why this happened, what is the Google goal on this.
Exactly! What is Googles goal with this? I can only hope that they are actually examining these results and reading all the feedback they get. Granted they are obviously getting good feedback from everyone that is ranking who cares to make comments to Google, but are negative feedbacks outweighing the good ones? I still think this is some sort of testing-phase that Google is working through.
Googles CEO stated in an interview earlier this year that Google was working towards updating and indexing on a weekly if not eventually a daily basis. I don't think they are going to get to that point without some serious testing and run thru's of their spidering, crawling and indexing.
For anyone interested in reading up on the inner workings of Google here is a link to their original paper on "The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine - Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page" from Stanford Univ. [www-db.stanford.edu...]
It is a interesting read, albeit very technical at times. The basics are all there but obviously the scale and refinements done to this original model have greatly increased. Have fun.
I verified with a friend of mine in Florida (I'm in San Francisco) that he sees different results on www than I.
My partner gets different results than I do...and she's merely in another room in the house. On one computer our site is on page 5 and on another, page 6. We're both using the Google toolbar for our searches.
AAnn
Yup, my partner in the same office sees different results as well and we are both the only users on our T-1! It's the Google "Dance" It will all balance out in a day or so.
Bummed!
Different ISP's AAnn?
Same ISP and same IP even. I think she thought I was nuts when I kept saying, "No, we're the third site on the fifth page." Her search
showed us on the sixth page, somewhere in the middle of the page. Of course, neither one of those results makes us happy. Until last month we had three sites on the first page. We'd been sitting pretty (and complacent, I guess) for at least six months like that. Last month our top site ended up on the 13th page and the others essentially disappeared. We've been working very hard and diversifying since then. We have high hopes for next month. :)
AAnn
I have 10 keyword-domain-sites and they are all ranked very high in this update. 8 out of 10 are in the #1 position for their respective target keywords. (i'm mentioning this because I'm ecstatic, not to gloat) I don't think Google is penalizing keyword domains.
What I have noticed is that keyword density seems to be playing a huge role this time.
The database needs to settle down before we get Woody Allen about our position stats, okay?...
It takes like 7-10 days until we have to worry.
So until www2 and 3 is the same as the regular Google database, you just have to:
1: Settle down.
2: Focus.
and when the database is settled:
3: Figure out what you did wrong and catch up.
(unless you already know what you're doing, heh-heh)
This happens a lot. The results are starting to filter from www2 and www3 to www but it doesn't happen right away. one computer on www might have the new resuls and one might still have the old results. it takes a while for the new data to be flushed through all the computers that serve the www results.
www1, 2, 3 and the ones that are happy for us to know about. The other ones are a bit of a Google secret. Dont really thing we want to be going and posting private URL's into the heart of google.
[www-db.stanford.edu ](this is THE very deep, technical and complete,
Ok, GoogleGuys.
As I see, you have ignited some new filter/algos.
[Or maybe is a database-glitch on some yours '*BSD ApacheSimilar/1.3.2n' machines..
Hehe, just kidding.]
The goal seems:
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There are some companies making money with our s.engine.
This is not good, we'll not be owned.
Let's drop them.
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The most important measure of a search engine(from the above link)
is the quality of its search results.
1a] The 'B' company try to buy some banner/queries
at Google, maybe like old 'OpenText',
which was reported to be selling companies the right(from the above link)
to be listed at the top of the search results for particular queries
2] The 'A' company starts getting valuable traffic from Google.
At 'A' company, people say:
Wonderful!
Now we'll make good sites, a lot of good sites,
and we're sure that Google rank us high.
Ohh, beatiful.
Let's not spend money in advertising, let's spend money in making
good/rich-content sites.
Ah, and let's go away all boring pop-up/redirect/IE-exploiting
things from us sites.
We know Google don't penalize them, but
if Google rank us so high, it's logical to continue giving
clean and good contents, thinking in a "long-distance" way.
Ah, and let's make also cloaking, why not, we're pissed off
by competitors stealing all of us work.
This done, it's so crap to make a perl script [proxy-using updated real-time eh..].
Ackk nooo, a daemon owned me.. I'll don't make nothing like this at all..
But I've so little time watching/admin servers now..
Ok stop kidding, it's no time.
Nice days and congratulations, anyway and sincerely, to all
you, well-ranked girls/guys.
I had a site taken out of the index last month. I think I had a link to "bad neighborhood" (that's a whole story in itself), anyway It reappeared in www a few days ago with good PR and was highly listed. It's been in and out of www but has not surfaced in www2 or www3. What does that mean? O.K., maybe it'll be back next index. I hope so.
However, I have several other sites in the index that I can only find in www2 & 3 if I search specifically for them. If I search for keywords for these sites .... nothing, I mean nothing all the way to 1000 listings! I don't understand, I was just on page 1 with some of these keywords! Now, I have worked very hard to make sure that no spam exists on my sites. I have no links that could even remotely be viewed being to bad neighborhoods and I have plenty of content. These same sites have been bouncing like mad on www but have not surfaced on www2 or 3 (IN THE LISTINGS) at all! We're talking about 6 seperate sites!
What gives? Can anyone shed some light on what's going on? This is very perplexing.
Is the site new? Try not to worry either way, strange things happen during the update.
Here's me thinking I acquired a number 1 spot...then out of nowhere, I'm down to 3...with sites ranking above coming out of the blue.
If the site is new this is commonplace during an update.....you can be at ease after another update.
Same SERP's as a while before the update.
Best just hold your breath a little longer ;)
uk.google.yahoo.com is a good place to look at results though.. I think that they may have the finished result as where we dont yet
