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GoogleGuy

8:24 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


steveb, I believe the 64.x.x.x data center has the change, but I'm not positive. We use different terminology inside Google. :)

Powdork, I'm not sure if you'd call it an update exactly (different algorithms play more of a role than different data). But I'm guessing the change will probably roll out over the course of the weekend.

steveb

9:41 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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PR has not updated. You'll know when it does when someone posts a datacenter IP where it has. Last PR update was Austin.

Google Guy said 64 will move over this weekend, so it still has planty of time, but could already have started in some places.

>>>I think there are still some domain-level niche emphasis tweaks to be made, and some issues involving worthless anchor text<<<

"Steve, what do you mean by this? Google bombing or just the importance of anchor text."

The first part I meant that hopefully everythingwidget.com will be seen as a more authoritative source on widgets than cnn.com -- or minimally viewed as an equal. CNN deserves its authority overall, but everythingwidget.com has earned its authority on widget information. I think this improvement is occuring but isn't done yet. The second part is just a comment that some sites still do well merely on enormous piles of anchor text (plus some PR buying). This is hugely less of a problem now than previously, but still, a domain with four pages of poor "content" that gets links from its own 25,000 junk link pages should not be in the top 1000, let alone the top 20.

Anyway, I think Google is working on addressing these two things and hopefully we will see even more improvement the next couple updates.

simon03

10:08 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"I don't know what google did"

I doubt you did anything, I was back yesterday for 9 of my kw's for about 5 hours. Now I'm lost again in the 4 digits.

finer9

11:01 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hm. For me 64.* is a shift from #2 to #5 on my 'money phrase'.

I guess I can't complain.

#2 was really nice though. ;)

finer9

11:11 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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One other neat thing I noticed is now indexing https order pages for some items, which is fine with me...

GoogleGuy

11:42 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think we've been able to crawl/rank https pages for a while now. BTW, I'm going to turn off my stickymail, but I'll still be checking spam reports and email to webmaster [at] google.com with brandyupdate as a keyword. When I get a sticky, I try to reply to each one, so that adds up after a while. :)

Robert123

12:01 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi Google Guy,
you had responded to me earlier that the new results would switch over this weekend from the 64..****x.

Is that still your position.

Thanks!

steveb

12:02 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Search results have been showing
1) www.domain.com
2) [domain.com...]

for awhile. Not indented, but showing as two different results.

It seems like https should be grouped under the main domain like any other URL, otherwise a domain could claim four spots in the serps instead of two.

James_Dale

12:05 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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216.x has beaten 64.x to the finish line.

[edited by: James_Dale at 12:09 am (utc) on Feb. 15, 2004]

James_Dale

12:16 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GG does his best to keep the peace and be informative. He is just guessing about the outcome though. I have a strong hunch that 216 is the one.

icebane

12:17 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ahh it's dancing!
Check www, www2, www3 now.

You'll see the 64.x datacenter results occassionally. It's looking good...

drewls

12:26 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GG does his best to keep the peace and be informative. He is just guessing about the outcome though. I have a strong hunch that 216 is the one.

I kind of have that gut feeling myself. I don't think it's quite the crowdpleaser that 64. is but man, it's WAY less spammy in my area.

GG would certainly know better than I though.

icebane

12:27 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Nah just manually checking..
www.google.com, www2, and www3.

Right now I see 64 as www.google.com, and 216 as www2 and www3. About 15 minutes ago, 216 was www.google.com.

Robert123

12:30 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think with the recent hate speach about google, he would just say nothing. of course there are never any guarantees---Google could change their mind, but i am sure he was like 99 percent sure to say something like that. I totally disagree that 216 has settled

andy_boyd

12:31 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No dance in Northern Ireland, still the same post Austin SERPs. :-(

Robert123

12:32 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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in fact, if you look through the different
216.**** servers, they are not even serving up identical results--nothing has settled, i can agree there

IITian

12:34 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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... i am sure he was like 99 percent sure to say something like that.

I think 64.x is the one based on GG's posts and my serps observations.

rfgdxm1

12:35 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>I think with the recent hate speach about google, he would just say nothing. of course there are never any guarantees---Google could change their mind, but i am sure he was like 99 percent sure to say something like that. I totally disagree that 216 has settled

I am not convinced anything is settled. Including what is currently on 64.xx. GG never promised that the 64.xx SERPs wouldn't change by the end of the dance. The fat lady has not yet sung.

Robert123

12:37 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have monitored the 64 closely since this thread started..there have been no changes

icebane

12:40 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok, I'm going to go watch TV.
Now 216 is showing up on www/www2/www3, 64 is nowhere to be seen.

Too much stress for me, why bother! I advise everyone else do the same, just like the old days... we gotta wait it out :).

Just like GoogleGuy is doing right now.

Dumb_guy

1:03 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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216 showing up in SoCal... has been since about 5:am.

flicker

1:13 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, 216 also looks good. If anything a little less spammy than 64. They're both improvements, and I'm one of the minority who thought the serps looked quite good after Austin.

steveb

1:22 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There definitely was a change on 64 twelve hours after the results first appeared, and the 64's are a little different, and results change all the time. When GG says he expects they will move over, you can basically take that to the bank. And you can also take to the bank the the results will tweak and move around and be freshed up constantly.

rfgdxm1

1:27 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>If 216 IS the new update, Google is headed for the same fate as the eight track tape and drive-in theaters.

Hmm...for the SERPs I have been checking, 64 and 216 are about equal in quality. I'd expect equal user satisfaction with either.

steveb

1:30 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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www is fed from many datacenters. What you you are seeing is not what the rest of us see.

metrostang

1:33 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Since this morning 64 has been the same here. Checking 216-98 and 99 for the past 10 minutes for the same terms show 216-98 now having same results as 64 with 216-99 alternating between post Austin and current 64.

During that time I checked www and got the 64 results a couple of times so it looks from here like GG was telling it straight and 64 is moving.

northweb

1:47 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree the results 64... look fine. I would like to see the 64... move anytime now. flip the switch gg

Becky

1:51 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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dumbguy...(i feel politically incorrect saying that;)

But yes, I believe the articles and links are helping. I have a PR6 with 103 backlinks...64.**** is showing me ruling the roost.

Robert123

1:55 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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things are really fluctuating now---whatever it is--there are frequent changes in serps now..

lgn1

3:16 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well I can't believe it. Im back at position #2, where I was pre-florida. I got rid of one H1 tage back in December, but reverted to the original copy as it did not make any difference.

Well surprize, surprize, after three months of bouncing from page 1,2,3,4 and oblivium, im back at page 1, position #2 where I always been for 5 years, before florida. And I have done virtually nothing. I have been busy adding new product, that does not get indexed because our site is dynamic and only the home page gets indexed.

I have been using PPC to supplement my traffic, and have been to busy with other things to worry about SEO.

Im going to stick with the do nothing, to improve your google results tactics. As it is sure working for me.

[edited by: lgn1 at 3:17 am (utc) on Feb. 15, 2004]

allanp73

3:17 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The difference between 64 and 216 looks to me as if 64 uses less filtering then 216. I think that it shows that Google has a index to which it later adds the filter. When the filter is applied the results appear like Austin or Florida updates. Now it seems Google is testing how much filter to apply. With Austin, there was too much. I think however Google still might want to filter commercial sites, in favor of Adwords sales, but not to the extreme of Austin, in favor of appearing relevant.
Regardless, this will not be a success until the filter is removed altogether and real content sites (commercial or not) rule again.
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