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steveb, I believe the 64.x.x.x data center has the change, but I'm not positive. We use different terminology inside Google. :)
Powdork, I'm not sure if you'd call it an update exactly (different algorithms play more of a role than different data). But I'm guessing the change will probably roll out over the course of the weekend.
yup, since it was at WebmasterWorld that this naming thing started. my guess is basically brett and other powers-to-be.
Complain about spam sites but remember in the drug industry highly seo'd sites rule and if they are gone now they will work harder to be up there so unless you change your site around you will only keep swatting off flys. But who knows with all the 'complaining' to google about sites we will see a lot more going on, im sure they dont mind as adwords will get used more as they yank out all the sites that people report. They are getting the seo community to kill themselves, report each other and so on.
Back to the results, Im still seeing widget real estate sites all filtered about with a lot of poorly designed 'city' sites holding the ranking. What gets me about these sites is they normally charge advertising fee's for anything on their site so now they will benifit from the search engines when before they already benefited because their site was about the city.
Im not too pleased with the results in the RE industry or for that matter any geo oriented searches on a subject. When people search geo they are searching for something in their community normally not wanting to find directory or other sites that dont offer a direct solution. Ok the yellow pages are neat and all but im surfing the web, i dont want to find numbers i want to find sites. If I wanted numbers I'd search yahoo businesses or the phone book.
There were two 64's listed:
[64.233.161.99...]
[64.233.161.104...]
Is there a difference between the two?
And which do we think will be "real" next week .. .
(If the 64's is the new deal - most of my pre-florida rankings are back in place . . . )
The worst update I ever seen. Nine of the first ten results on a 2 words search are spam. With Florida, it was half. With Austin it was only 2 spammy sites.
Hi Alergic,
Without breaching Forum terms of use in what general topic area are you searching?
I've looked at a few folks SERPs who were badly hit with Florida and then did a lot of semantic work and have got back into the top 10 at Austin are now aT #1 on 64.233.161.99 and the results around them in SERPs look pretty good to me. These are in travel related, electrical goods consumables, specialist software and financial market searches.
It all looks very good to me with a dispationate eye on markets other than my own. I'm not saying that it is perfect but it is PDG.
Best wishes
Sid
Boy, I wish what SEO meant, now that OOP seems to be aggressively pushing sites down in the SERPS.
With all due respect, webhound have a point, the sites that are dominating in that area has nothing to with normal seo practices or even the so called OOP.
The spam sites are using the oldest tricks in the books and are mostly template base and we thought that these techniques are now extinct.
On the contrary in that industry it seems to be spam is king and not content.
As to the issue of reporting it...that doesn't address the issue of 'why they are there in the first place'. Sure, Google could take down the offending site but another one will just take its place...and believe me...taking down a single spam site does not adversely effect the spam owner...it's expected.
There were two 64's listed:
[64.233.161.99...]
[64.233.161.104<...]Hi,
I'm seeing exactly the same SERPs on a range of terms with the same # of results. I'd say that they are the same.
Best wishes
Sid
64.233.161.99 - is not showing fresh tag or fresh cache with better result
216.239.37.98 - is showing fresh tag Feb.11 and have fresher cache with bad result.
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[edited by: Marcia at 5:19 pm (utc) on Feb. 13, 2004]
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Thanks in advance,
Brakkar
If Google tweak the algo this way this month, they may tweak it the other way next month.
I was back to #3 before Brandy for the search term I was concentrating on, and if the right results stick, may get back to #1 now. I did some work on semantics, but in the end it was links that made the biggest difference. For another more competitive search term I was back to #1 before Brandy with virtually no on page changes, but more inbound links from on topic pages (although the page's content was already good semantically).
I think for good long term results we need to work on both content and links - if you concentrate on one and not the other you are likely to bounce all over the place as each update tweaks the algo for that factor.
No improvement in the RE serps, Been working really hard since Austin to get big.....
I'm actually seeing a return to directory sites ruling with this one, with only 2 really relevant listings
Better go make some more pages....
I feel kind of penalized for helping G with an example of my duplicating URL, as the site is now totaly gone.
And I realy find it <let's say it litely> confusing, that GG is in fact happy with all of the things, that are going on on G those days...
I wil send a letter to webmaster at G with subject austinuodate and dmoz with more details on the points.
And two questions to GG - is there realy a Over Optimisation Penalty and what is happening with the sites, that G's "semantic" algo fails to understand?
[edited by: pavlin at 5:00 pm (utc) on Feb. 13, 2004]
If you dont like google, fine--But do not project or displace frustrations toward him as he is here to help.
And of course I have a question if you are still reading--just to confirm, you believe that the change will roll out is on the 64.****.xxetc data center?
Thanks
Obviously it is a big improvement, but it does leave me wondering what on earth they were doing rolling out the other stuff in the first place.
If it sticks we will change our intranet search default back to Google.
I am certainly willing to concede that this is just one egomaniac's opinion.
When I see Amazon book listings, I think "Why is this here? If I wanted a book I'd be searching over at Amazon. I can type a m a z o n . c o m into my browser."
When I search, I am looking for informational websites, or products to buy. If I want to buy a book, then I go directly to the Amazon or Barnes and Noble websites.
Other than that, the "new" serps look at lot like pre-Florida serps to me (which I like BTW).
1. Index pages were missing
2. G had a problem reading DMOZ
It appears that was that (30K posts later.)
A prolific expired domain spammer who had been dominating the SERPs with doorway pages in one of the areas I track is now gone.
Another spammer with some adult sites targeting non adult (and even some kid oriented) keywords has been greatly reduced.
In some areas I still see big sites with lots of backlinks, but not really very relevant pages, ranking higher than highly relevent pages of smaller sites. For example, for an apparel related search a high PR seed and garden site is in the top 20, even though the it is just happenstance that the search terms occur in various places on their home page.
And yes, the large book seller pages are still everywhere, even though I believe most people already know how to find that site, if needed.
[edited by: Jane_Doe at 6:03 pm (utc) on Feb. 13, 2004]
And after these last couple of months mixed with my excitement is my experience of seeing the daily fluctuation and so I am cautiously optimistic, stressing on the word cautious...
And what I am doing here on this computer on my vacation anyway? Just waiting for my friend to be ready to take off and enjoy the sunshine outside...
Good luck and thanks to all!
[edited by: lindavh at 5:29 pm (utc) on Feb. 13, 2004]
Also the duplicate results thing isn't gone yet.
Back in the safety of my office, I would never have touched such water. Now, like most everyone else, I'm thankful because it's a lot better than no water.
MQ
