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GoogleGuy

8:24 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


steveb, I believe the 64.x.x.x data center has the change, but I'm not positive. We use different terminology inside Google. :)

Powdork, I'm not sure if you'd call it an update exactly (different algorithms play more of a role than different data). But I'm guessing the change will probably roll out over the course of the weekend.

Ledfish

4:28 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just wanted to confirm what I think I'm hearing is that 64.233.161.99 is what we are supposed to end up with after progation is done?

GoogleGuy

4:47 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I believe that's correct, Ledfish. I'd expect things to switch gradually at each data center over the course of the weekend. In a few days, it should be everywhere.

Ledfish

4:54 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oh god I hope so, I might have dreams again instead of Google induced nightmares.......Thanks Google, Thanks for the reply GG!

Now if I could just get rid of the spammer under my keywords, I'd be happy.....What the hell, if those are the new results, I'll just live with them.

drewls

5:15 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy, can you give us any idea when that will be updated with newer data? The change in ranking is obvious, but the data is still old.

Stefan

5:21 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sorry to add a, "Me Too", rather than something more constructive, but 64.233.161.99 looks just fine to me overall. General serps are decent and our own site is still where it deserves to be... at the top, or close to it, for a <boat-load> of pertinent kw combos.

GG, if you're still around, I'd like to express my appreciation of how fresh the listings are for our site the last while. I put new pages online, and they're in the Google serps within a day or two. They're stickier early on as well... they used to flux in and out more for the first few weeks than they have lately.

Good stuff, Google.

[edited by: Stefan at 5:24 am (utc) on Feb. 14, 2004]

[edited by: Marcia at 10:21 pm (utc) on Feb. 14, 2004]
[edit reason] Semantic correction. [/edit]

Chicago

5:22 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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IYPs look real strong again. Just in case anyone cared.

*Our* conversations are fun these days...synonyms, semantics, and authorities. Sometimes, however, I just want to grab search volume data to most easily explain the application of the algo logic.

The brilliance of what is happening is the fact that the impersonal algo harbors dozens of business decisions.These business decisions are most evident as patterns accross industries or segments of the total index, not a particular web site rank within the index.

G's definitions of authorities look real strong again and so to does its quest to segment result sets in accordance with unknowns in user intent.

Thanks for the reply.

shopgal

5:28 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The results look clean it's nice to see )

kevin1023

5:33 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing the new results on www here in California.

NazaretH

6:14 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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May I ask if 64.233.161.99 has "final" index, or are there any significant ingradients to be added yet?

More Traffic Please

6:21 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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May I ask if 64.233.161.99 has "final" index, or are there any significant ingradients to be added yet?

IMHO, based on what GG has said, this will be the basis for the new SERP's. But I have a feeling there will still be a few bumps in the road over the next week before the fat lady sings.

[edited by: More_Traffic_Please at 7:32 am (utc) on Feb. 14, 2004]

NazaretH

6:44 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hope so. For my sites it seems like backlinks number at 64.233.161.99 is exactly what it was on all datacenter one month ago. To me it looks like the new index has great algo improvements but new backlinks are not yet counted and things should change a lot over time.

The whole picture really looks MUCH better now. I just hope that G will somehow merge the best of 64.233.161.99 and current listing that we see on www. Good luck G!

LateNight

6:51 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Reminds me of New Coke and Coke Classic - I think Coke Classic is back on the shelves.

pavlin

6:56 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As we can see the "post Brandy" results are more SEO friendly - it's a lot easier to understand why some page outranks the other. The forum is full of happy seo's that finaly feel that everything is under control :-))
I've not seen such a joyfull forum from a long time. Obviously most of the people that post here have at list one site that is gainig positions in the new serps. Wich is great, becouse if one plays the game by the rules and spends some time working and optimising, he would expect the good results.
What we have to see now is if the Brandy results are not only seo friendly, but also user friendly. And the only symptoms of that will be seen in the logs in the next few days. Hope they will prove, that the Austin crash is history...

Powdork

7:24 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What we have to see now is if the Brandy results are not only seo friendly, but also user friendly. And the only symptoms of that will be seen in the logs in the next few days. Hope they will prove, that the Austin crash is history
In previous updates this is where we would point out that Joe Surfer is oblivious to algo changes or even the fact that there is an algo.

steveb

7:25 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google has been at its best for the past three months, even as there were problems with the mix.

I think there are still some domain-level niche emphasis tweaks to be made, and some issues involving worthless anchor text and other phantom seo to address, but overall this non-culmination point of the process just made Google a couple billion dollars.

pavlin

7:54 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Powdork, I do not believe that a month is enough time for Joe Surfer to change its habits. What I'm expecting to see is the usual pre-austin traffic coming from G and less traffic from dmoz and some other portal sites, that rank above me just because they link to me. So I mean not exactly the volume of the traffic.
No matter how G changes the algo, a realy good site can not suffer much. In fact the traffic to one of my sites that dropped from the SERPs remained the same as volume, becouse the first SERPs were full of pages that link to it. The only thing Joe Surfer had to do is click one more time. I believe that's the case not only with my site, but with lots of others.
So the change I'm expecting to see is in the structure of the traffic. I guess in other industries it's a matter of volume anyway...

Steveb,
-> Google has been at its best for the past three months
Would you please give us at least one clue that proves u right?

-> just made Google a couple billion dollars
Do you realy believe the current algo updates mean anything to Joe Investor? Please explain that too, as if you are right, the others are missing some very important points. Thanks!

sloney

9:17 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GG

I would be most grateful if you could tell me if the 64 **** index will apppear as it stands now or whether Google will change it in any other way before it appears on co.uk

Thank you for your time and help it is much appreciated.

cbpayne

9:31 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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64 **** index will apppear as it stands now

Hasn't he confirmed that more than once already in this thread (I think)

mistah

9:53 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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uh oh, the spammy site is back.

Google seems to have filtered out their multiple keyword-stuffed domain names e.g kw1_kw2.com, kw3_k4.com, but now they rank highly for <snip> because they have multiple identical pages with identical copy, but the following filename structure:

<snip>

Actually, they were probably doing this all along, but I only just noticed it because Brandy has removed the first level of spam to reveal the next level.

So, Brandy seems to be a big step in the right direction.

[edited by: Marcia at 10:24 pm (utc) on Feb. 14, 2004]
[edit reason] Not even near to specifics, please. [/edit]

bekyed

10:45 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There are significant differences in the UK from what i am seeing with AOL and google serps, this is not finished yet.

Bek.

Noximus

11:43 am on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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have you seen PR update?

Hissingsid

12:23 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There are significant differences in the UK from what i am seeing with AOL and google serps, this is not finished yet.

As far as I can see it hasn't started yet!

Aol = 216

WWW WWW2 and WWW3 are all still Austin

.co.uk is still Austin

64 is the best SERPs I've seen in a long while!

I think we need to be patient ;)

Sid

bull

12:34 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There is partially click tracking on 64.233.161.99

simon03

12:50 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"Reminds me of New Coke and Coke Classic - I think Coke Classic is back on the shelves."

I'd say this is more like Vanilla Coke, here today, gone tomorrow.

Ledfish

12:51 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just saw the new stuff in www from my location. Then the next minute it was gone. Looks like the change is spreading. Funny thing is my traffic for the last 12 hours is down slightly, not bad, might be because of other factors like Valentine Day.

claus

1:23 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Overall this tweak looks okay to me. As this is "just" an algo tweak and no new data has been added, my most important pages haven't moved much, but nevermind - other pages have and i'm glad to see happy faces in an update thread for a change.

I've got a feeling that this marks something new - ie. that we will now see two kinds of updates run semi-independently; "algo tweak updates" and "data feed updates", the real update being the latter one.

So perhaps we'll have to use two types of update names, eg "alcohol names" and "location names"? ;)

[edited by: claus at 1:29 pm (utc) on Feb. 14, 2004]

fabfurs

1:27 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Different results from 64.233.161.99 depending on location.

I have access to two physical locations simultaniously; One the IP originates in Quebec Canada and the other in NY State. When I search on the exact same term (not regional in nature) at nearly the identical moment I get different results from 64.233.161.99.

I check the results for some kind of regional results but both sets of results provide sites not regionally located.

So are we all seeing different results than what our potential visitors would?

Ruben

1:38 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My site dropped a lot after this update. I have significant less visitors while i have a big content site, with lots of pages. My other site disappeared completely, while before Florida it ranked the first page. Now i hear a lot of people saying that the results are almost pre-Florida. For me it isn't :(

mikeD

1:42 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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noticed all the amazon clone sites are back in. And people said this update was better :(

CuriousMusing

2:14 pm on Feb 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is there a PR update too in this change too. No PR change for two of my sites.

And there is one site, that G indexed in October, has around 400 back links, but still the site is not fully spidered nor is there a PR.

Is anyone seeing any change in PR in this update?

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