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I have a text version of my site, it's been there for several months,
could google have penalized me for this?
[edited by: fashezee at 10:40 pm (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
How is this possible? How can compact mode vs. standard mode show completely different results from google.de datacenter? I've tried it over and over to make sure it wasn't just a one-time fluke.
I have serious doubts about this. However, as a veteran of many past dances, it has been my observation different factors, like anchor text, get folded in at different parts of the dance. For example, I was #1 some dances ago early on for one SERP. At the very end I fell to like #5. I concluded it had to be either PR and/or anchor text getting added in. I was #1 briefly because of excellent on page factors, but wasn't as good with the off page ones. Thus, if anchor text seems less important now, it may not be so at the end.
During the Dominic and Esmerelda updates, some people experienced lost index pages or unexplicable drops in the position of an index page for a particular keyword. Many (but not all) of these sites seemed to share the following characteristics:
1. relatively new (2 yrs or less)
2. optimized for the keyword(s) that for which they were either dropped or "penalized" for lack of a better word.
3. had decent (consistent with prior to the update) positions for other keywords (if not dropped from index)
For people that had index pages dropped for certain keywords, the situation tended to improve each week. Some people reported seeing their index page back after a week, others two weeks, others three weeks. Most were ok after a month. The lesson to be drawn here is be patient. However, if you were doing things G frowns upon, I'd be concerned.
No where to be seen on google.com
I guess that's the crux of it. What was good solid SEO only a few days ago may now be devalued. This devaluation, or mistake, or whatever, has caused many, many, very good pages have gone missing.
I agree that Google has made mistakes in the past and for the most part it's understandable. However, I do believe that an algorithm change is at work here and the timing could not have been much worse. With the mistakes in the past, if indeed we are seeing one now, wouldn't someone have learned from the mistake and simply planned this action for a less damaging time?
Your assertion that thousands and millions of pages, exhibiting some of the behaviors that have been outlined, are ranking well, does not explain the thousands and millions that are not. I would agree that there is no solid explanation at this point.... However, at least in my vertical, there is not a single top 10 page that has the KW twice in the Title, not one using the KW twice in the description, etc.. however 8 of the top 10 did exhibit these qualities before this update. I have seen this again and again.....
It may all be over at this point and what we see is what we get... on the other hand there may be more changes to come, I don't know. I do know the the timing and the results od this particular update are questionable....
but thought good work would pay some day...
that day is still far!
Google - I pity on you
BTW - Days back GoogleGuy asking abt analogy of God and Google? Now he must be prepared to post a new thread about Devil and Google.
And here goes the 1st Contri-
I'll tell my Kids "Beware of Google, it could take away your bread and butter for nuffin. and try to be Evil! so that you can fool it"
LOL
[edited by: wanna_learn at 10:50 pm (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
My Q is this: Have I diluted my main keywords by having so many pages on my site focusing on one product and that are basically duplicate?
Thanks!
try looking in the google directory in -va, for our site made a change in the URL of our Dmoz listing and the change is not in the www. but it is in -va
If you refer to commercial sites, for every site that goes down in the SERPs, one goes up. The site and #1 now and raking in big bucks ain't damaged.
Sometimes God punishes you for what you know not. Same with Google.
Sometimes God blesses you for reasons you cannot understand. Same with Google.
The blessing of God is the greatest blessing of all. Same with Google.
People practice black arts in order to thwart the will of God. In the end they are judged and punished. Same with Google (we hope).
Thanks!
Except God isn't after your money....
Been through the different datacentres no sign, although we did have a visit from directory.google.com & the right section.
Haven't quite worked that out, as we can't find it?
I agree that for every site that drops one comes up. No argument...
I question whether the best sites are rising and the worst falling. That is the intent right? I mean in theory the best, cleanest, most relevant, highest content sites should rise... while the spammy, doorway page, redirect sites should fall.... right?
I don't think that's happening...
Comparing Google with God? Hmm...
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"God is an iron," I said. "Did you know that?"
I turned to look at her and she was staring. She laughed experimentally, stopped when I failed to join in. "And I'm a pair of pants with a hole scorched through the ass?"
"If a person who indulges in gluttony is a glutton, and a person who commits a felony is a felon, then God is an iron. Or else He's the dumbest designer that ever lived."
-from "God Is An Iron", by Spider Robinson
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From a favorite, and very interesting, short story I really like. Now that I think about it, your comparison between God and Google is right. Google Is An Iron. And, burns a lot of webmasters. ;)
- so do i, it's not that long ago, but definitely before the declared update. That's why i personally didn't consider it to be part of the update at first, but then again, perhaps it is something that was just tried out on a smaller scale before.
So, sofar we have:
Reading the above, this does not sound like an update to me, it's more like a "tweak" - the long awaited spam filtering might finally be underway.
Not that any of the suffering webmasters are spammers, that's not what i mean. A filter that has not been there for half a year or so will have some unintended side effects once it's employed, so if it's that, then some fine-tuning will be needed.
/claus
only in last few days I have noticed Several sites appearing without Title, Description and there is No- Cache for them.
We called it slow Death...as 1st there is No Cache of index> then its out of SERP (still in index and have PR) > other pages behaves same > Finally the no. of pages indexed falls and eventually your site is outta Google.
Is this a new style of Penalising or what?
www-ex
www-kr
www-mc
www-va
www-dc
www-fi
www-ab
www-in
www-zu
www-cw
www-gv
Any response to message #617?
<<The only difference between these new pages is the name of the country and price of the product.
My Q is this: Have I diluted my main keywords by having so many pages on my site focusing on one product and that are basically duplicate?>>
The problem that you have is that you have just created what I think is considered a "black hat" site. If the only difference in these pages are the name of the city and the price... it's bad... each page should be tailored to the page focus... content.... images.... links .... something...
Put that "white hat" on...
Ride fast, shoot straight and speak the truth....
"each page has the same format and same text"
The same text on different pages will trigger G's duplicate content filter and, if you are lucky, cause all of the new duplicate pages to have a PR of zero since they are the newest version of the duplicate content. If you are unlucky, the filter will hit the original page thereby causing a page on your site with existing PR to become PR zero.
The datacenters rotate, different ones "leading the way" each update. -va seems to have that role in this one, with -in seemingly up to something else.
It used to take about 300 pages a day but now nothing in 5 days!
But we don't have a new date stamp yet.
My affiliate links are getting me traffic and impress and commissions. All pages indexed. Showing Good in the SERPS. Lot of TOP Positions. Happy Clients. Good PR. Good Links Coming Back. Money into my Paypal from happy Clients. New Orders! SEO and Link Building seems to work for me and my clients. And as I compare results on several servers, I see better results everywhere.
since friday also noticed that googlebot hasn't been round since then
I've been hit pretty hard & still seeing a typical, if not more pronounced, crawl.
;-)
[edited by: Goanna1 at 12:40 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]
Mods please feel free to remove this if you find it out of context.
This is neither meant as an attack on Google or GG
Just a bit of fun
Google was once called the top SE
When all they provided, was for free
Now duplicate sites hog the top of the tree
And the good ones are now on page 103
All you hear now is the webmasters plea
Help! Google we're beginning to see
The demise of the great SE
'Twas in the year of 2003
That they stood at the top of the search engine tree
And then they lost site of their main decree
And like proverbial lemmings, jumped into the sea.
Master of all the search engine World,
Until one dark day unfurled
A plethera of excrement that was hurled
From many members at Webmaster World.
Were Google the King of the Castle?
Or did they just play at pass the parcel?
Did they lose their idiology?
Or baffle webmaster world with mythology?
Nay I say, GG tried to clear,
The air, my making it appear
That index pages don`t disappear
Then baffled us more with the strange idea
That all was in order, we had nothing to fear
:)
Keep posting GG - a lot of people here need you
;)
EW
We are seeing better SERPS on IN datacenter. anyone else seeing that?
Yep, my homepage is back where I'd expect it to be for keyword #1.
Is'nt an index page supposed to be just that? An index of your site?
What use is a reference book without an index....?
We are seeing better SERPS on IN datacenter. anyone else seeing that?
Negative. I just can see back links update on -va. However, SERPs still messy. One of my sites that used to be #20 now gone from 1000 top results. Although PR increased from 4 to 5 today.
I dropped huge in the serps for my best keywords. The basic structure of my pages is:
key-word-phrase.asp
My Serps have dropped off of the charts. Funny thing is if I go back to do a search now using
"key-word-phrase" my serps show up exactly as they were showing before the update.
The major change in MY listings is a result of how google is handling the hyphen now.
Damn the hyphen .... Damn the hyphen.
Hopefully the update is still being refined...?
Confirmed. Time for you all to check out -ex. Some sort of new index is appearing. Curiously, different than the one on -in. Thus, we have 2 new indexes on 2 different datacenters.
Message Board spam makes the majority of the pages and its not just one keyword its doing it. And I am not talking about a simple message either popping up. These guys are spamming the boards with over a 1000 characters.
Interlinking 10 1 page websites with all different domians and keywords spammed at the bottom at least 11 times linking to the 10 domains.
The url theory is bunk also as I can show you at least 40 domains that are the keywords Also I can show 1 thru 10 on many different pages of the titles being and descriptions being keyword keyword keyword keyword keyword .
GG asked me to send him the results and I did 2 days ago and told me he would show them to someone. I haven't heard anything as of yet.
Has anyone ever had GG do anything as far as spam and what were the results.
Sorry GG don't mean to offend but I am in a real serious situation as I depend on my phone ringing.
I actually have done biz with google and know people there but I hate to call them with this.
I mean I read the problems you guys are having but this is extreme to a measure that has to be taken care of.
I am very fustrated and maybe there is hope for you guys but the results I see doesnt hold much for me.
Thanks for listening to me rant but this is the only place I can get it off my chest.
Will Google end up as -ex or -in?
Try some different keywords. -ex still may be half baked, but something is cooking.
-in has had a very different index throughout this whole process. This is the datacenter where google is not in the top 100 for search engine :)
G caught wearing black hat?
ROFL. Now THAT is hilarious. :)
Added: for a search for search engine, this is an example where -ex is much different than -va.
I like it.
allintext rankings most closely match SERPS, followed by allinrl results, then allintitle.
Can't see any real pattern with inbound links which are all over the map. Also I'm finding that for some odd reason I can only check the PR of the first result on a SERP page. All others are greyed out.
Does this match other peoples' observations?
Which is about as irrelevant as an allinanchor: search to all but the sort of folks that hang out here. What counts is SERPs.
? But history would tell us that these are very important factors to determine the ending SERP. I would think that is common knowledge by now, obviously not everything turns out to matter, but often times these factors go into the final www. results
Which is about as irrelevant as an allinanchor: search to all but the sort of folks that hang out here. What counts is SERPs.
And so you are going to count on results that are not taking backlinks in consideration.... makes sense to me....
Edited: now I remember why I never post in this thread...lol
Looks to me like the new backlinks are already factored in on -ex and -in, but NOT on -va. -va was just the first to show that data, which doesn't mean it is incorporated. The SERPs on -va are the same moldy, old ones.
I am confident that Google will correct the situation not because it benefits me but because it benefits them.
If the results are as bad across the board as they are in my keywords, people will slowly learn that Google does not provide the best results and will slowly move from Google just like they moved to Google. Google will not be able to sell their services and without people coming to Google AdWords will not generate as much money.
The consumer will determine who a good search engine is, not Google and surely not me. Right now I follow Google results because Google is used by the most consumers. If they move to another search engine, so will I. I may be hurt in the short run (and right now I'm down significantly). But if I had in the bank just 10% of what Google has to lose, I sure wouldn't care what Google or anybody else was doing.
5 years ago nobody knew what a 'Google' was. We'll see in 5 more years.
That's funny....
Looks to me like the new backlinks are already factored in on -ex and -in, but NOT on -va. -va was just the first to show that data, which doesn't mean it is incorporated. The SERPs on -va are the same moldy, old ones.
Sorry to disagree but -va is the only data center that shows over 400 newly counted backlinks to my hobby site that include several from Yahoo....it is also the only datacenter showing new backlinks for clients sites...
Not going to convince me ;)
Edited: Why not wait until things settle before jumping to conclusions? Will it make a difference jumping from DC to DC? The chips will fall where they do and nothing that is posted is going to change the result :)
[edited by: The_Contractor at 2:47 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]
