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edit: maybe i'm remembering it wrong - maybe it was the deepcrawl at one time, and then serps/pr changes at another. it sucks to get old - the memory goes so fast.
[edited by: dazzlindonna at 4:16 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
5 adsense sites
2 sites with my links (making the sites rank good for that keyword, site doesent sell these widgets)
6 sites which actually sell these things(2 of which dont have on page text at all , the one in #1 only has a description with this search term)
2 directory type sites
(with me in their links of places to buy these widgets)
5 that dont sell anything only make you click to another site that does.
So good luck to my customers..........hopefully they use some other search engine.
I see alot of this too in the "new" top SERPs for our #1 keyword, maybe people can find us through these link pages that don't sell our widgets! Good luck.
I’m focusing on building a BIG site (87 pages so far) with quality content and fresh content added daily. I’m just barely in the top 10 (#10). After examing my comp’s backlinks on Google/AllTheWeb I’m going to have to spend 1 hour + each day contacting cheezy hair-replacement and off-shore pharmacies sites for recip links.
>>Perhaps the happy members have just learned not to post in threads like this about their success, and sit back and smile. ;)<<
It could also be the some webmasters, like me, don’t pay any attention to the various databases and where they rank. Why? Because there isn’t anything we can do about it that we haven’t already done, so why waste the effort to post or watch it. Besides, 99% of the people that visit my site via G only use one database, and that is the one I watch.
[www-in.google.com...]
Umm...where is [dmoz.org...] on that SERP?
I spent almost a year to get good ranking from nothing to #2,3,4 .. now all gone ..
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents on this florida update.
Actually, all my keywords and pages stayed, including two main site index pages. The only page that disappeared, unfortunately, was my main site money maker- widget.com/index.html
But, it only disappeared for the most specific (and relevant) 3 kw search: widget industry segment. For the 2 kw search, widget industry, the index page is still ranked right where it always was. And for widget-industry-segment, the pre-update position is back.
I sure hope another day or two sees this all sorted out- that's what I want for Christmas, but I'd it early please :)
Matt
- posted on the contact page of a major SEO firm specializing in Google.....this thread is better than the X-Files
- posted on the contact page of a major SEO firm specializing in Google....
That's not all they have posted around their site ;)
I called foul on this one, but a few have said doubtful.
northweb, i see changes on -va and -zu only (backlinks i mean).
There is a different set of backlinks on -mc
I think google needs to make the effort with adult as i think the industry is one of the most searched for on searchengines and if googles takes their eye of the ball as far as quality goes then surfers are going to abandon it and its reputation overall will suffer.
I have sites in adult that have content and subdomain cloaked sites with no content.
My content sites have dropped but my subdomains are powering.
In adult you need to cover all bases.
My non adult sites have not suffered at all.
synergy:- posted on the contact page of a major SEO firm specializing in Google....That's not all they have posted around their site
I called foul on this one, but a few have said doubtful.
I believe said SEO person you are referring to is a member here... why not sticky him! ;)
Too many conspiracy theories... headache inevitable...
[edited by: crobb305 at 5:07 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
specialising in .... (drum roll)
SEO!
that oughta push the earnings up a bit!
vertical integration and synergy in mba-speak
anyone seen that fedex commercial?
makes me laugh everytime!
[edited by: plumsauce at 5:11 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
I was looking for info on an item I want to buy for my house and got really tired of landing on sites that are supposed to find it for me. Somehow these 'find everything' sites are rating high on Google. It was interesting noticing it from the a consumer's point of view.
With the previous update my home page went from number 1 down to like number 30. whilst one of my other pages stayed at number 2.
www-in is now showing that my home page is now back at number 1 with my other page at number 2 just below it.
Good stuff google... now if Google would just start following my 301 redirects and start indexing the rest of the site I'd be really really happy... been waiting 4 months for the site to be indexed so far.
How can i do this? i can not see my new PR?
can anyone say me whats the new PR of www.kusadasi.biz ?
[edited by: Marcia at 8:17 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
[edit reason] no url's pls. [/edit]
[edited by: prodigyfx at 5:41 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
If the anchor text, page title, and H1 tags all match up too perfectly, then Google seems to be dropping the page. A tad more complicated than that, but something along those lines.
Because of this, I've changed the page title and of my index page to "Blue Duct Tape at Wholesale Prices". It's about as far off topic as I can imagine, but it might just work.
I am seeing a danse macabre play backwards. There are international sites that have an OLD listing from about.com and I am number one. That happened right as my site was indexed number one. This whole thing is playing out backwards, Google has a ton of material to sort through to give the best results and alot of the current results are very mixed.
Why in the world would Google go from great to horrible? That logic alone will allow me some sleep this evening =) Beyond us, Google is out to impress the end user, which at this point would be extremely dissatisified.
I have not personally been using Google for my searches, just because the content is so screwy the last few days....
I just think we should all give it time and let Google impress us in the end, as it usually does.
Don't remember Dominic? Google may depress more than impress around here.
The increase in Yahoo/Dmoz/Google directory pages in the results seems to me to be a total positive when it comes to information. The "value authority sites" knob seems to have been turned (amongst others maybe) and that is a very, very good thing... and about time too.
Gives a new meaning to the term "anchor text".
Log analysis should be interesting tomorrow...
WBF
Very well said. I see the same thing. Doing a search for White Widgets Company returns pages using that as anchor text to link to the White Widgets Company. Over 20,000 links to the White Widgets Company using that as anchor text, and it's nowhere in the SERP's.
There's always Inktomi. :)
I am finding site unrelated to the search term that rank above (an interior page of) my site when their only relevance is a link pointing TO my site. That link is the ONLY relevent content on the subject in question.Same here. I am seeing crap sites in serps just because they have the keywords as link text to other sites. Thaat means we should now give links to others rather getting links with the keywords as link text.
Another peculiar thing i'm seeing is that the results for same site when searched with different keywords are showing the google directory category listing as it used to do, while at other places the category is missing.
There's always Inktomi.Just went to infospace and checked my inktomi results and guess what. Gone from #2, and the results are surprisingly similar to Google's current results for that search. I'm guessing they want $39 or something. If only Google worked like that sometimes. I would happily dole it out just to have my site in there the last three days.
Thaat means we should now give links to others rather getting links with the keywords as link text.
lol.
I'm also seeing this - I'm placing unexpectedly well on competitive searches based on outgoing anchor text on my site, and am getting decimated on searches for which I have plenty of solid incoming links.
I'm tempted to a put a link to my competitor on my pr7 home page with our key words in order to improve my position in the SERPS. It's a world gone mad.
The only positive thing about the bizarre 180 that anchor text seems to have taken in influencing the SERPS is that it must mean we are still dancing. It must, right?
Many searches are similar to Google's - the ones that are different are usually better. I used to have no respect for Inktomi but these past few months I am really seeing quality SERP's. Can't wait for Ink to replace Google on Yahoo.
I'm still seeing it moving around one of my sites is jumping between 20th and 2nd on the hour
I guiltily admit to not having checked Alta Vista in a loooooong time. Interestingly enough, 90% of my sites are doing really really well there. Sadly, it means nothing, but at least there was a nice feel-good few minutes while I checked the results.
Now did anyone see my index page - I seem to have misplaced it.
Yahoo/Dmoz/Google directory
[edited by: KevinC at 8:14 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
But, just to create debate, what if Yahoo replaces Google with Altavista?
Ooops.
Like I said in my post, those problems existed before Florida. Linksmanager trash links are a disease that Google has to purge itself of completely. I believe that with Florida they did this somewhat, but not enough. I see several sites that were climbing because of those trash links programs either not rise any higher or drop a few points.
Until those ugly, generic link pages are all PR0ed the problem will continue to exist, but it seems to be less of a problem today than last week.
thanks
www-ex
www-kr
www-mc
www-va
www-dc
www-fi
www-ab
www-in
www-zu
www-cw
www-gv
My PR has gone from 4 to 5 on two sites.
These two sites seem to have no backlinks just like a lot of other sites which used to have 30.
Both these two sites have dropped from 1 to 500.
Now I don't think its over, I mean my PR is now 5, no backlinks like my competitors who are for some reason are ranking well.
This has to be the biggest dancer in Googles history.
What a Rock 'n' Roll this is.
My PR is fantastic Google just needs to update the backlinks more.
Not all sites have been updated yet.
just ranked well on 2 datacenters
www-ex and www-gv
Everytime I brood over this, and then I take a 'wait till Wednesday' pill!
[edited by: heini at 10:31 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
[edit reason] please don't point out sites / thank you [/edit]
Normal search returns approx. 197,000
allinanchor or allintext returns approx. 750
My site is not returned where it use to be using the allinanckor and allintext commands so I'm hoping it is due to the very low number of pages returned.
Google # 1.
In SERPS "search engine"
Google # 4
Same as last time....
Everyone needs to relax until the dust settles.
It's a lovely thing to view my site, back in the index.
Tomorrow, we shall all wake up from this horrible nightmare and the various dials, flipjiblets and allinanchor switches will be switched. Help us allinanchor, you're our only hope. *fiizzz*
About this hyphen thing. GG said there had been no penalty this time for keyword1-keyword2 domain names. AFAIR he didn't mention filenames or anchor text. And a penalty is different to devaluation.
IF Google has devalued keyword1-keyword2 in anchor text, or whatever, that could explain the hyphen business.
By searching explicitly for "keyword1-keyword2" you're telling G "yes, I really do want that hyphen". So the value of those hyphenated incoming links goes back up again.
Just a thought.
It did take a couple of hours. Been busy working, so i left this thread a few days ago on page two... of part one(!) Meanwhile it seems an update has taken place.
>> happy members have just learned not to post
Nah, busy working in stead. No significant changes in serps on my end, apart from what could be expected. I'm hip.
>> hyphens
...all in URL upped a bit it seems
>> blogs
Yes fewer, but still way too many forum results when searching for tech or info. Info-sites still suffer in favour of "fresh" questions posted in forums. There are such places as WebmasterWorld where search results from forums might give an answer in stead of a question, but those are rare - for the majority of forums, you get questions when you search for answers.
>> authority sites
...good ol' PR upped a bit it seems
>> domains
... still lacking filter for duplicate content on two-or-more domains (domain aliases). These seem a bit hard for Google to discover.
>> spam
>> hats
SE's define what is "spammy" and what is not. For Google it's in their guidelines. As long as there is some consequence (ie. those that spam do not benefit) it's quite okay, but when spamming pays off there's no reason for guidelines in the first place.
I checked one very competitive industry (three non-adult keywords including "cheap") and it seems as spammy as ever. This was just a quick check though. (just revisited, the top 10 is in fact a bit cleaner now)
>> backlinks, anchor text
...seems you can still benefit in the serps from paid advertising with a plaintext link. I'd expect this to be very hard to counter, but advertising on discussion forums seems to be very helpful.
A general forum filter (ie. less fresh serps) - will probably mean better serps as well in some cases. Just omit WebmasterWorld from it ;) Alternatively, links from a forum should be devalued, just like guestbooks (...are supposed to be).
/claus
[edited by: claus at 11:20 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2003]
GG said there had been no penalty this time for keyword1-keyword2 domain names. AFAIR he didn't mention filenames or anchor text
A site with all pages having keyword-keyword as page names has shown a sharp increase in Google traffic with the new update (almost 30%).
I am from India.
This is because the keywords you are tracking have seen almost no changes at all. I know since I'm from India too, and in fact I too have a site that is thematically similar to yours (so easy to make out which site you belong to from your user name). But for other keywords and phrases (that you are not monitoring) serps have changed like hell. Or why would you see such a long thread and such chaos?
Someone in this thread said that geeks made Google no 1.
Geeks may be too loyal to their favourite websites, and that loyality may be misplaced.
Webmasters need to be business minded first and geeks second.
We need to start spreading the risk of bad SERPs by supporting search engines and directories other than Google.
I don't have a problem with Google. I've lost and gained so far in this update. But I do feel that it is time that webmasters and WW made a concerted effort to protect the investments they have made in their internet businesses to ensure that those businesses are still around in 1 or 2 years time.
If the energy devoted in this thread was channelled into identifying and supporting alternative sources of traffic, we need not find ourselves in such a serious SERPs limbo in the future.
vbjaeger: whats your competition like thats ranking above you in the *new* SERP's?
3 or 4 of the sites in the top 10 should be there. Many of them fall into the right category, but have not seen updates or had any new content in several years. I am not entirely convinced that all of them are even in business anymore. Only one or two of the sites have more backlinks than our site. As a matter of fact, we have the exact same amount as the *new* #1.
The *new* #1 was the top site about 3 months ago. We had only been in the top 5 for about 40 days. There is a completely non relative site listed in the top 10 as well because it mentions keyword 2, keyword 1, and keyword 3 in the text of the page.
I am holding out hope...new and higher PR and more backlinks. We are still on page 6 as of this morning so I am keeping my fingers crossed that this is not it yet.
The whole entire page is spammed by message boards. Thats right 1 thru 10 is ALL MESSAGE BOARD SPAM.
And the least humorous thing is the main offender thats been doing it for over a year is the only site on the page along with the spam.
He doesnt have even one backlink.
He gets all his power from message boards.
Mean while all the people who work hard are kicked off.
I have sent the findings about one page to GG and I am awaiting to see what happens.
This isn't the only page either. There all over the place.
To those of you that wrote me I will get to you in about 5 minutes with the search terms that are producing these results.
Anyone else wants the search terms sticky me and I will be glad to send them to you.
Anyone that says the update worked and removed spam is dead wrong I have the proof.
Not only that but it was here before Florida and it was bad and it took me a year to get above some of it in some of my states. I finally get there above the spam which was a tremndous victory and this comes out and bam Im gone spam is up 2x.
It would be so easy to stop this with a warning in google guidelines saying we will ban or penalize sites with message boards that are allowing people to do this. And or penalize or ban the people in the spam. Only have to do this a few times and the word would get out.
But I have written to google spam so many times over the year with these results and not once has it been addressed.
I have talked to adwords on the phone their reply is Oh thats not right .."We will forward this to the right department" Umm the door with the Mens sign on it is the wrong department guys.
GG told me the same thing. I am waiting for some results and hoping he comes through for me.
I'm not even griping about where my site is I just want the spam gone and the cheaters taken care of.
It's so blatant that its getting stupid.
GG any progress or updates?
I have more search terms for you but I didn't want to start sending you all this stuff as I am sure you are quite busy.
Throw me a bone will ya? I am losing faith here.
Dan
Dan
Best part? The results are packed with sites that include the ANCHOR (keyword) text to these sites that have disappeared! No penalty on any of the sites from what I can see, PR is strong nothing at all spammy..
C'mon Google.... I'd hate to start using MSN!
What is showing up in line ahead of my squeaky clean and utterly relevant site that Google has loved for so long? .gov and .edu sites that have the keywords somewhere in their page text, but other than that have nothing to do with the subject. Anyone wanting to find "blue widgets" will learn that the state of Nevada will consider blue applications and accept widgets on alternate Tuesdays.
This is relevancy? Madness.
now backlinks increased.
confirmed. on -va I see increase in Backlinks for our site! I think quite recent links are added to this list...
Surely if im looking for blue widgets, id prefer a page with the phrase "blue widgets" actually on it , rather thatn a page that has blue wodgets and green widgets?
The hyphen searches are giving me much more sensible results becuase of this.
