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No comment from the Google propaganda Guy in the last 12 pages of this thread...
I've been checking in and reading, BradBristol. Some of the conspiracy theories/imminent downfall of Google stuff drives me away a little.
And how would Google know if the toolbar user was a SEO, or some teenage bozo?
I am pretty much seeing what you described. Some of the results do resemble results from a few months ago. And I can see no emerging pattern. All the datacenters are still returning some peculiar results.
Teenage Bozo or SEO, I think (via the toolbar) google would have, and has the capacity to figure out which sites are really related to one another, and then to take appropriate steps as necesary to counter any tricky stuff as between those related sites.
Just out of curiosity, are there any other victims of the dominic/esmerelda disappearing index page who are perfectly alright this time round (and have bothered to read this thread all the way to here)?
>>Some of the conspiracy theories/imminent downfall of Google stuff drives me away a little.
GG - In Australia we call it the tall poppy syndrome ;)
Way to go Google ...
Some sites are affected profoundly, some a little, some not at all. I believe links are being factored in but not their full pagerank value. So if there is a site with high quality links, that quality isn't being fully factored in yet.
Good luck.
This is exactly my point. I bet these pages have
(1) At least medium PR as a result of medium/high pr home page.
(2) Are not over optimised for that keyword, as they are not trying to optmise for it at all.
(3) Theya re rnaking to a medium/high ranking site with relevant anchortext, and regardless your site is now tanking on those keywords, does not mean google penalises them for linking to you, they may be in fact somehow rewarding them.
Its an overoptimisation filter. I am 100% sure.
One of my sites that went UP has NO KEYWORDS or TEXT and one link only(flash splash page) on the home page. It relies on rank from <title> words and incoming link text. This site's inner pages are now kicking arse too, for all sorts or weird key words that are contained only in OUTGOING text links.
Google may be targeting kewword density, or not. It may just be targeting overuse by SEO uses of keywords in <title> <H1> anchortext, pagename etc regardless of density.
Either way, reduce usage and decrease density.. do both I say and it will help.
Can you shed a bit of light on this situation to ease our misery :) Is there still more data to be added or this pretty much it?
When my wife cooks a cake I often dip my finger in the bowl and tell here it's not as good as her last one. She then tells me she has not finished yet. I must be *really silly* as the same thing happens each time she cooks :o)
Oh BTW, I have heard that if you submit to Google on a full moon you will get my higher in the SERPs. Some other tips are:
1) Use Arial Font only.
2) Never use a Background image or picture.
3) Always use black font on a white background.
4) Never let you keyword density exceed 12.9658%
5) Never us Frontpage or similar.
6) Google only count links in that are blue.
7) Your true PR is always half of what you see on the Google Toolbar.
Dave
[edited by: Dave_Hawley at 6:30 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]
As far as the downfall of google, well, our site is taking a serious plop, but somehow, I think google will survive.
But whatever the case is, would you kindly give some useful info, whether it be reassuring or unsettling?
Way back on the 15th of this month in the first part of this update thread you said,
I think this update should happen over a slightly shorter timeframe, so most data should be incorporated within 3-4 days I would guess.
So I guess we can assume that this update is about over?
"Only two things could be happening.
"1. Google is broken.
"2. Google dropped all those index pages and is showing a lot of very questionable results on purpose.
"Take your pick..."
None of the above. Please read the facts:
October 22, 2002 - Google sued over site ranking http://news.com.com/2100-1023-962913.html
November 13, 2002 - SearchKing Google Rank Restored http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/sea111302.cfm
January 10, 2003 - Google counters search-fix lawsuit http://news.com.com/2100-1023-980215.html
May 27, 2003 - Judge dismisses suit against Google http://news.com.com/2100-1032-1011740.html
June 2003 - Google starts a long process to eliminate "blackhat sites."
July through October 2003 - "Blackhat site" operators receive the benevolent opportunity to fix their tactics.
November 2003 - Google deploys its own "Iron Hammer" operation.
Be :)
November 2003 - Google deploys its own "Iron Hammer" operation.
Would this "Iron Hammer" operation be the nazi or american one?.
[edited by: keyword1dashkeyword2 at 8:36 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]
I only pointed out what seemed obvious to me.
Google is broken or they are serving up the current results on purpose. How could it be any other way?
[edited by: BradBristol at 6:53 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]
All with NOARCHIVE (not cached by Google). And, this one spammer gets the top 10 results for thousands of search phrases. He/She/They use 5 domains and get two listings on each domain! They are making Google look like a laughingstock!
Why can't Google detect this redirect garbage that is dominating the SERPS?
Google is broken or they are serving up the current results on purpose. How could it be any other way?
Your sites? :)
A bunch of webmasters that I've polled on here seem to indicate traffic gains. None of them have posted on this thread.
You are on the mark. It may apply to crosslinking of different sites. But in my case it is going on from linking within the site. WE have no crosslinking from outside sites, or in fact hardly any external links at all.
Your sites? :)
[edited by: keyword1dashkeyword2 at 8:37 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2003]
I think that is exactly what is going on. So, the most highly optimized keywords are getting hit. My secondary keywords are still doing OK, as you suggest.
What remedy do you suggest?
I will dispute. No cross-linking. The vast majority of my links are inbound only. No links pages. Every one of my outbound links is there for the benefit of my visitors.
Hyphenated URL was purchased about 1999, far before the thought of using such for spam was in anyone's mind.
If one is selling only one product and its variants, the domain name is appropriate to that product, then where is the spam?
Its a somewhat sticky site, so return visitors are keeping it going for now. Also, I have no reason to believe that the site is not rock solid, so I will expect it to return to its former rankings at some point. Also, good rankings in Ink are a benefit, since I am seeing more MSN traffic now.
On the other hand, many of the top sites in my niche are heavily crosslinked. Several of those have come from nowhere to take over top spots.
Again, no pattern is emerging for me. Would certainly like one so that I could get back to work. In my niche the SERPS are not all that bad (except I am not in them:)), but they are certainly missing the authority sites that one would expect from a good set of SERPS, and there are some real ringers in there.
As someone else asked previously, why do I need Google to give me a link to the Yahoo or DMOZ directories? Or, why do I need links to books for sale by Amazon. Or why do I need to read a news story over 6 months old when I could search Google News?
WBF
My site is like yours, I think. But I link internally using keywords - with the same keyword for the
keyword/keyword-keyword.html
keyword-keyword h1 tag
and keyword-keyword title
In a big site that can be done hundreds of times on hundreds of pages. Is that what you are doing?
