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This is a recap and a prediction topic.
Recall that GG said that the -sj index would move to the other datacenters, then we would see backlinks/spam filters applied across the board.
If this is the case, and if the d.c. datacenter (-dc) just got the -sj index (I saw it bouncing around last night actually); and the cable & wireless (-cw) datacenter got the index on the 15th. *Then* it seems we have 2 days for the index to be propagated to each datacenter (this is a worst-case scenario, as the datacenters may be updated in parallel and may all pop up with the -sj index very shortly).
Since we have 5 datacenters left to go, that brings us 10 days in the future for all datacenters to given the -sj index...which brings us to the 27th. At this time we should see the backlinks/spam filters being applied at every datacenter as deltas/patches (if you will) and the real "dance" will be underway. It will, of course, take considerably less time.
Notice that the prediction of the 27th is, in my opinion, a worst-case scenario; we will most likely see things happen sooner.
Peter
When you hit a data centre, you will then hit a particular server in that data centre. There are likely hundreds, if not thousands of servers in each data centre. To spread the traffic evenly among the servers a load balancing algorithm will be employed. The load balancing algorithm is unlikely to be a random number generator - more likely it will assess the current load of each server and assign work appropriately. That is why I say it isn't strictly random - but it likely appears so.
[edited by: cindysunc at 12:06 am (utc) on May 19, 2003]
Based on this, I have to conclude Google is broken. WHY would page from last year be in the database at all? I'd expect after 2 updates all those would be gone.
My father-in-law who isnt a webmaster and uses Google as an unbiased Joe Blow surfer found a lottery site this morning to check his tickets without a problem. He didnt say ... "man, Google is sucking lately ... whats up with this?!"
Stop whining about your site and take a look at Google from an anbiased standpoint ... search for something other than your website and really ask yourself "did I find a relevant site quickly?".
The only place I hear whining about Google is here. It hasnt made headline news or any other unbiased web surfer community.
I know we all love our site here ... But just because your site doesnt show up doesnt mean the results are junk.
Without the webmaster, Google would not exist.
Why?
Who would build the sites, who would know what to put on the sites to make them show up any where.
I could just imagine what would be showing up on Google if nothing but novices built sites.
Google get's great information from webmasters as to how their algos are doing.
For someone to jump online and tell people to quite whinging about it in my opinion is a little out of line.
In the begining of the dominic thread, I posted something to the same effect only not worded so poorly and was gently reminded by a mod that is not polite to post in that fashion.
If you don't have something informative to say that adds to the discussion, then don't say it because next month it could by you whining about your "precious little site'.
BTW in the title tag!
The page shows number #1 for that exact search query, as you you would expect.
But it also shows for"...news.." page 1
The page went missing last update, also expected, but now back
Half the page is new stuff, not PR not anchor text the problem.
It is old data mixed in with some new stuff, pure and simple
A bigtime screw up
How much of the public actually knows about the above Google variations? I would venture a guess that 99.5% of Google users aren't aware of any of the above, or even what a Google dance is.
Although this is the first dance i've witnessed and i've gained a lot of insight from reading this site, it seems to me that most of the complaining is from those that optomized their site for Google.
Perhaps Google doesn't want a bunch of websites optomized to appear when certain keywords are presented.... they're rather have websites with content that appear as they should without the effect of optimization. Maybe Google is going back to grass roots content and giving less weight to optimization techniques.
If two competing sites are nearly identical in content, should one have a better position than the other because they include a certain keyword in their alt tag?!? I'm sure some webmasters here will say 'yes', but most end user would probably say "who cares", i want the one with slightly better content.
And although i understand that a lot of the ultimate results will resemble some of the current datacenters, it's far from over, as we've been told countless times that certain spam filters have not been put into place yet.
Go ahead and be nervous if you think that helps, but don't call this a "done deal" until it's actually complete.
[edited by: thereuare at 12:20 am (utc) on May 19, 2003]
Mm joe bloggs knows nothing, but it is only a matter of time, believe me...You sound like Mr AV just before the ship sank
Google is dead. News at 8. Funeral on Monday.
*smash* *tinkle* *jumps out of the window*
Gooogllaaaaablaahhhhhpszzzzztttt....
Google machine consumes another mind.
JoJo - I could not agree more... GoogleGuy has not done anything but confused us all. A bit earlier, i posted a few simple questions to GG asking him whether he really KNEW what was going on at Google, and if he DID, than was he even ALLOWED to share it with us?
That post was censored for some reason and I got a message telling me that its against the TOS here at WWorld, but i wasnt told why. (I reread the TOS and could not find any reference so if anyone can clarify - please do - i see many people asking GoogleGuy questions all the time.)
If GoogleGuy really knows whats going on, i just dont understand why he doesnt just tell us whats going on and clear up all this confusion once and for all?
1 - When will the REAL update begin (approx)
2 - Will all the backlinks eventually be added back?
3 - In the future, will there be a periodic update as in the past, or some sort of ongoing, continual update sa some have theorized is going to happen from now on?
These are the questions everyone here seems to be wondering in case GG REALLY wants to answer them.
So all the "surfers" "who see no difference" in the serps do not know the water is creeping up rapidly.
But when it gets knee high they will jump, bigtime.
I am not complaining, no dramitic changes, but now I have to compete not only with PR5 but PR0/spammers none-relevant etc
Some of my "real" competitors have gone, all had good sites, now wiped out page 4 and beyond.
I am not so naive to think I am better than them, perhaps lucky yes.
No problem...tell me about it, what happens next time?
BTW, I haven't seen anyone disagree with you that Google is too large. I think we would all love it if the other companies would get their act together and provide reasonable competition.
Right again, BigDave. Very true.
Stefan, there was a lot of work at Google behind these changes. We're trying the make the transition as gentle as possible, but there's still a lot of work left to do.
GG, you're a good guy, you're very helpful and much more patient than most of us could be. Believe me, I did fine in SJ... but what if I'm the next to disappear for no good reason?
I'm taking off the little monkey hat, refusing to beg for spare change, and I'm going to keep at working to make my site better, (for users and 'cause it's the thing to do). If Google continues to like it, so much the better. If not, it's Google's loss.
I have to assume many are seeing the same in their particular line of business
thereuare
If I could I would post 20/30 keywords that bare no resemblance to the search query, and that is just from my line.
I have to assume many are seeing the same in their particular line of business
I agree 100%.
This is so odd, I can not believe it.
What is going on? Has GG spoken?
[edited by: crobb305 at 1:17 am (utc) on May 19, 2003]
And we all get, stop your whining......
What on earth can they be doing? that will make it all that much better? Nothing I say. I think its broken.
No doubt! Add the shtuff and lets get on with it!
You act like there is a lot of data to import *sheesh*
theres nothing bad going on... take off your paranoid hats everyone.
there was a lot of work at Google behind these changes. We're trying the make the transition as gentle as possible, but there's still a lot of work left to do.
He's made other comments here and there in this thread.
I think it makes sense to go off and work on our sites for a while.
Did GG change this in a post I missed?
As if he would admit it if Google screwed up?
I think it makes sense to go off and work on our sites for a while.
Yep. If Google likes it, cool. If not, the other SE's will find the stuff and add it. Either way the site gets improved. I've got a lot of new material to type up... maybe Google will have its act together by the time it's all done.
I'd like to say... people shouldn't launch personal attacks at GG; he's a cool guy, it's just the organization behind him that's dodgy.
Most posts here are not fixated only on people's own sites. Nobody else gives a crap about your site. Most people here are trying to understand a major Internet-wide phenomenon affecting millions of searches for millions of sites. We each understand our own niches the best, and can relay observations about what we see.
The fact that this phenomenon is bizarrely being played out in the public eye is a rare opportunity for peek where we usually don't see, and while speculation is more likely to be inaccurate than usual, this is the best time to speculate.
For example, if Google does magically apply guestbook spam filters one of these weeks/months/decades, having observed where guestbook-dependant sites rank now compared to then might be an incredibly valuable bit of information. Same with free for all links, anchor text, etc.
For example, if Google does magically apply guestbook spam filters one of these weeks/months/decades, having observed where guestbook-dependant sites rank now compared to then might be an incredibly valuable bit of information. Same with free for all links, anchor text, etc.
I like this but differently. I wish we could take a snapshot of the serps from 2 months ago, then when this crazy thing is over see if they look the same.
Im betting the farm, they will......
ROFL. ;) Excellent point. Only reason to be reading here is if you are concerned about Google. If developing good content for your site is the priority, this ain't where to discuss that.
Google does not always have to have www going to all 9 datacenters. I would suspect that www-sj was not in the rotation till a while after www2 and www3 were pointed at it. In fact I do not remember anyone saying they were seeing the results on www till after -fi had changed over.
Even with 7 of 9 datacenters on the new index, we have no way of knowing what the division is. They can balance the load any way that they want. They could try to keep the two datacenters with the old index 100% loaded before sending someone to the others, or they might be trying to keep them unloaded while they are transfering the new index in to them.
