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Update is on :)
I have seen movements - nothing more than what you would expect with normal everflux
Could it be that pages are ruled out, if keywords appear in the text above a certain limit? I am not talking of only keywords, I am talking of a text using a keyword very often because it is best description of facts.
This could account for my drop. Looking at the top sites on sj the key word in the title still seems to help but not as much. Shoot, there is a site titled 'under construction' ahead of me!
I have a hard time keeping the density of my top keyword down as it makes for awkward sentences to leave it out. If it really proves that this is a problem I'll have to to some careful rewriting.
On previous updates when I have seen the new index - I have thought "thats it the position will not change that much until finally showing full time on live."
Dont know if it will be the same with this update - there maybe a long way to go yet.
Not sure on that one - it might lead to less freshbot visits but even that has not been proven....
You're not alone, I am also in the same position, my site is clean, previously enjoyed some good positions and now it's gone, I'm just hoping that it will come back when everything shakes out. The most worrying thing is that none of my competitors sites have gone. It's worth noting that I am seeing freshbot at the moment popping in and grabbing a few pages at a time, dunno if that's a postitive sign or not from what others have said in the past. i.e. site greybarred or pr0 but freshie still trawls them every few days. I'm still showing as PR5 BTW, well... for the moment anyway!
Simon.
Yes same here, all competition is still there but not me :( I have seen googlebot in my logs and it was looking for some old old pages (2 months old +) but I have since added permanent redirects to the pages not found. I too have PR5 still.
In addition, when I looked as -sj initially about 3 days ago when it started getting wierd results, my site had jumped to third in the list so I was optimistic. Now its gone it seems for no apparent reason.
What are the chances that it will return?
Hagen
Why you guys have lost pages I cannot fathom a guess too :(
GG stated this will be the case
From what i have seen, pages that are not targeted to specific keywords are appearing high in the SERP's just because they contain the phrase once on the page?
If only it was that easy to rank for a particular keyword!
If not, I look forward to reading the "serious update thread".
BUT: they are the same as "www-sj" as far as I can see this. Or am I wrong?
Look at the following:
PING www.google.com (216.239.37.99)
PING www2.google.com (216.239.35.100)
PING www3.google.com (216.239.35.100)
PING www-sj.google.com (216.239.35.100)
The ping-reply times are nearly twice as a high as to google.com - but this could be because I am pinging from a high-traffic virtual server...
Greetings from Austria & hello all on this list (btw)
[edited by: pixelcow at 12:59 pm (utc) on May 6, 2003]
GG actually stated that they would probably roll out the index as is before adding any recent backlinks
Please GG, leave it "as-is" , I don't mind my lost backlinks!:)
Dan
If that were the case, why did google bother doing a deepcrawl two weeks ago?
TJ
Sites that have ruled the roost on certain keywords/phrases due to the PR they had based on those links are hurting.
I have two sites that are not listed in dmoz or yahoo. They are both going to do great on this update.
Not sure if there is a connection, but if Google is devaluing those two directories, I won't cry any tears. I have two good sites that cant' make it into dmoz because of the editors, and I dont' want to pay yahoo their fee.
If Google is going to rebuild without counting those two directories, then I would have to say...YAHOOOOOOOO! Or I guess it would have to be GOOOOOOOGLE!
Simon.
It seems to suck pretty uniformly for just about everyone posting on this forum...
I've dropped from #1 to #5 for my top keyphrase and from #4 to #8 for another. But I'm still #1 for many of my other most important keyphrases (especially the ones that have a direct impact on revenue), and in general I seem to be doing about the same as I did last month and the month before. I'll have a better picture of whether the update sucks (or doesn't) when things have settled down and I can see what effect, if any, the changes have had on my traffic and revenues.
In general, I see much less change from month to month than many of you do. Why? My guesses:
1) I have a content site with some 3,500 "evergreen" editorial pages, and most traffic arrives on inside pages--which means that significant changes in rank for a dozen, two dozen, or three dozen keyphrases won't have much impact on my overall referrals and traffic.
2) I practice only the most elementary forms of SEO: i.e., using descriptive anchor text and page titles, and linking to my most important pages from the home page and navigation bar. Because I don't know enough about SEO to try anything fancy, my search rankings are determined more by overall PageRank and page content than by what's being favored or punished in Google's algorithm du jour.
Bottom line: I'm not completely happy with what I see on www-sj or www3, but I'm not terribly unhappy, either--although I would prefer to continue ranking #1 for the main keyphrase that brings users to my home page. :-)
[edited by: europeforvisitors at 3:04 pm (utc) on May 6, 2003]
Why exactly the results are all over the place is a different story.
I did notice however that 4 other sites I have done recently from new are not indexed. The difference? The ones that are indexed have a link and the ones that are not do not. This by no way means Google hasnt visited because I know for a fact that he has so whats up exactly?
IMHO I would probably say that these updated results are pure results and have no filtering on them except perhaps for banned sites...
Can anyone here confirm this for me?
I would also suggest that these results are likely to be combined with the old results to form some kind of medium. I may be way off the mark but I cannot see any other use for them except that Google is testing some new spider patterns and algo's and therefore the fact there are now 2 servers playing up could be a reason for this as they are testing it on 2 servers to see what happens.
This is by no means the latest update for this month so what is it...! We can keep sitting here and asking this question all day but I think it would be better if we collated some facts together and then see what we come up with..!
Everyone want to do this or shall we keep speculating and getting frustrated?
It is definatly not an old data set because my new site of 3-4 weeks has all the pages indexed in it so it is definatly a very recent fresh database.
It looks to me like an old dataset with freshbot listings, not the April deepcrawl.
But others see the results of the April deepcrawl in there.
So it's some kind of combination of the two, or just not yet fully integrated with the April deepcrawl.
TJ
