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Update Dominic - Part 4

         

Luke_SR

2:16 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


www2.google.com and www3.google.com have the new -sj results.

Update is on :)

bether2

3:01 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From what I've read so far (in the -sj threads), it seems that googleguy is telling us that all of the pieces of the puzzle are not yet in place.

When everything comes together, I believe the SERPs will look quite different than they do now (on www2,www3, -sj, etc).

During previous updates, the results I saw on www2 were pretty much the same as the final results I would see on www.

But my understanding is that this update is an exception. So I think we should buckle our seat belts and get ready for a new kind of ride.

Beth

aek

3:02 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It seems to me that the backlinks showing are from 2 months ago. None of the backlinks that were added in last months update are showing anymore. I think they are just using old backlink data. Once they factor in this months links I suspect we'll see some very different SERP's.

lazyz

3:03 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There are domains in the www2/www3 index that are no longer in existance... I ran into a copyright problem and had to give up a domain based on it's name. The new owner did nothing with the domain and the dns points to nothing... The domain disappeared from last index after the last update. Now it is back with the old cache. This is really wrong...

WebMistress

3:05 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ircgeeks, thanks for the shot! I'm optimistic...and I'll drink to kicking back and watching me go number 1...I can't not be number 1! I am the most relevant, have the best content, and by far the most backlinks...the only problem with this update is it's showing me half indexed as I was in February, which these results seem to reflect...but the update will bring me up to date, and it's gonna be fun watching my competition get all excited that I lost my position and moved aside for them, only to wake up one day and see me staring them in the face at number 1....:)

1milehgh80210

3:06 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It seems to me that the backlinks showing are from 2 months ago."<<<
I have added backlinks for the -sj update.
Cant say I'm proud to have them though....

annej

3:08 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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when I awake, the world will be normal and beautiful again...

I hope so too. This update is so different and I just have to hope that once the spam filters, new backlinks and deepcrawl are all put in the mix things will look better. Right now it's pretty depressing.

SlyGuy

3:11 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When everything comes together, I believe the SERPs will look quite different than they do now (on www2,www3, -sj, etc).

I think you hit the nail on the head, Beth.

<yawn>

There's not much else to do but wait for the shift to www, just like every other update.

<off to bed>

mrbrad

3:11 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Who sells Xanax around here? :)

[edited by: mrbrad at 3:11 am (utc) on May 6, 2003]

steveb

3:11 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Jeez, all these mixed threads...

This is not an update.

This is moving the -sj trash, errr "results", onto all the servers.

The backlinks are from two months ago.

Google Guy has already said there will be a process to moving in these junky results, adding correct backlinks (the genuine update, maybe soon probably days away), updating pagerank, altering the search results.

This stuff now is two-headed monster junk that mixes old data with new stuff (without a hint of spam filtering or pagerank).

olwen

3:09 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Searching for myrealfirstname used to put my old homepage mumber1. Now www.myrealfirstname.co.uk is number 1. It has about 5 links to it, and is inaccessible, and the cache shown nothing for it.

My home page is now number 2.

1milehgh80210

3:18 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is this G's answer to the monster that is PR?

PR distorts the fabric of the web.
PR adds to G's load as webmasters add links at a furious pace.
PR penalizes new sites in favor of old ones.(the web is all about new to a large extent)
just a beer driven speculation... :)

atadams

3:22 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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New Coke Sucks!

Chicago

3:24 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The problem or issue I have is that the results do not make sense. In the past when results did not make sense, what you were looking at was far from final. I would suggest that by the looks of this one, we should start to get worried when google.com starts showing the new results. As it is unreasonable to think that there is currently a datacenter amongst -sj, 2, and 3 that actually houses the full and updated index.

Powdork

3:29 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is not the update. This is Brett testing the theory that webmaster happiness is a constant. Obviously, this time Google managed to make three sites lose their position for every one that moved up, thereby disproving the theory. Its amazing what a couple of phd types can do with the new math;).
Also keep in mind, whereas Google used to say you had 300 backlinks when there were only 150 in the index now it gives the true number. There definitely do seem to be backlinks missing in addition to that change though.

One reason webmaster happiness is not constant now is that the spammy sites moving up have long ago given up watching the serps for those pages and aren't aware that they have moved up. That why we are only hearing from those that have moved down.

gilli

3:30 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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MrBrad: I got an email from someone in Nigeria offering cheap Xanax and Masters degrees based on life experience. I can sticky you the contact details if you like :)

On a more serious note here's what I've noticed so far:

- 50% drop in backlinks
- up a bit in some SERPS down a bit in others
- No change in PR

Just a regualar update for me except for one weird thing I noticed for a particular keyword we are number 1 and number 3, but both these results are for the same page. The only difference is one is for mydomain.com and the other is for mydomain.com.au. I have never seen this before, Google has always seemed to understand that we use the .com (in all links) and the .com.au is just there as a fall back (in case someone tries to guess a url). To make it even weirder the .com.au page has NO backlinks.

This makes me think that the filters that GG has been mentioning have not been applied yet. Duplicate content and spam and whatever else gets culled is still in there for the moment.

mfishy

3:31 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone else confirm that the backlinks that are showing in the new index are from February? I can't remember exaclty but I think this is when I saw these numbers.

madmatt69

3:34 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is terrible - My site is nowhere to be found in the index. Nowhere at all. It's about two months old and was in the last couple indexes...
There's about 25 new sites linking to my website, and yet my site has been dropped from the index completely. It's clean, no spam tactics, nothing.

I hope this isn't final.

atadams

3:35 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone else confirm that the backlinks that are showing in the new index are from February?

They appear to me to be from the late January update/early January crawl.

Critter

3:35 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey MadMatt:

My site too dropped off the face of the earth.

But deepbot crawled almost 10,000 pages in April...I'm thinking that data hasn't been added to the index yet...

Perhaps we'll give it some time :)

Peter

mfishy

3:38 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"One reason webmaster happiness is not constant now is that the spammy sites moving up have long ago given up watching the serps for those pages and aren't aware that they have moved up. That why we are only hearing from those that have moved down."

So true. I bet there will be many happy spammers who had long ago given up hope.

Chicago

3:39 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Backlinks are in fact months old. Not complete, just not complete. I am bowing out cause there is nothing to really see right now, except for newly (first time)indexed pages.

[edited by: Chicago at 3:42 am (utc) on May 6, 2003]

Liane

3:42 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Until tonight, I had pretty much stopped reading the inevitable Google update threads. There's moaning and groaning followed by hooting and hollering. Same thing every month.

Having read the entire update thread this month, I have to hand it to Googleguy. Man, you have seriously thick skin which any rhino would envy!

I recently said, "Thanks for providing a truly great search engine" ... ;) which you may or may not recall, but I want to add, thanks for taking so much time to help us all. Your participation at WebmasterWorld is unbelievable! Where the heck are the rest of your peers?

Googleguy takes a lickin' but keeps on tickin' and I for one appreciate your candor.

If people would choose to read between the lines, they would learn a lot from your posts! ;) You're often criptic ... but not so much so that the average person couldn't figure out what you are really getting at. :)

Many thanks for all your efforts GG! :)

[edited by: Liane at 3:45 am (utc) on May 6, 2003]

mrbrad

3:43 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Remember that the last full update was on April 10. If Google updates every 4 weeks like they say ... then we should see the new index on
May 8. What we are seeing now is a new algo with old data ... perhaps we will see the new data on May 8.

skipfactor

3:44 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone else confirm that the backlinks that are showing in the new index are from February?

They are most definitely from Feb from here. A new site I activated the DNS on on 2-12-03 shows the one backlink I used to get it crawled. It has 50+ now. In addition, that one backlink is not my DMOZ nor Yahoo dir listing. The link showing is a tired old PR3 long eliminated.

I'm sitting tight; if DMOZ & Yahoo aren't showing, it's definitely not right yet.

mfishy

3:47 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I figured it was February links. Just wanted to confirm. Hopefully they will add the links form the past couple of crawls within the next week or so.

teeceo

3:49 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My "22" websites are gone too(they ate new but were added lasy update with pr 5's) this is crazy. If google is tring to keep us off base then they are doing one hell of a job. Has googleguy said anything about this(mess) yet?

teeceo.

WebMistress

3:50 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mfishy...my backlinks in this new update (I use that word loosely) are exactly the same number they were in February. I lost 64% (if I do my math correct)...this month I had 1,870 backlinks and now I'm back to Feb of 680 backlinks. Also, evidence this is Feb index is that pages indexed and not indexed match exactly Feb index. But what's even weirder is even at only 680 backlinks, I kick fanny on my competitors who have like 40 backlinks, yet they are kicking my fanny in this update thus far...but when google replaces the Feb results with the real results, things should reflect where I stand today and not in Feb (my first month indexed)

Xylem

3:50 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There goes having any fun after working my butt off this whole winter :(

stuntdubl

3:53 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Lots of chicken littles around here.

The last few dances have been relatively calm.

I'm not liking the results yet either......but be patient....and try to take note of what is happening until things settle down if you want to make improvements.

WebMistress

3:55 am on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This update so far kind of makes it hard to go in and make improvements for the next deepcrawl...who has a clue what to do to optimize given these results thus far?
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