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Update is on :)
i found out that (on "my" keywords) that the top positions have a lower page-rank than our companies website - and we use nearly the same meta-tags asf.
Unlikely to be the meta-tags having any effect.
Check:-
1. Page titles
2. Keyword density
3. Domain name and anchor text inbounds.
TJ
<<PING www.google.com (216.239.37.99)>>
<<PING www2.google.com (216.239.35.100)>>
<<PING www3.google.com (216.239.35.100)>>
<<PING www-sj.google.com (216.239.35.100)>>
Look's like a lock out to me. IMHO
there have been some pretty major changes so far
An "update" implies the addition of new information, not reverting back to old information.
Regardless of the inclusion of new data, it's still an "updated" algorithm.
-fi is a hybrid index which looks a bit more promising than -sj
From where I'm sitting the -sj index is rife with doorway pages and spam - one can hope these will drop out once some adjustments are made.
The backlink drop doesn't seem any cause for concern - if it has happened across the board it's a zero sum impact, plus the backlink indicator & what google uses in the actual algo may be two different things entirely.
The update process has certainly changed. But only until we can compare the backlinks and serps from last month will we be able to call this an update and guage the extent of an algorithim change or "new technology" as GG refered to it.
"new technology" could mean anything.
Dougs
Clearly, there are pages that are "less fresh" in www2, www3, www-sj....
and more fresh in www and www-in.
GoogleGuy clearly stated that they would be adding newer information to the updated index. I'm convinced this update isn't as crazy we first thought, and SERPS will normalize even more.
Note that www-in contains fresher results AND new backlink listings.
Note that www-in contains fresher results AND new backlink listings.
www-in just looks like www to me?
TJ
Using the google-dance tool, the -sj datacenter is the ONLY datacenter of the 8 that we know about that actually has the new index. ALL of the others still show the old index. Apparently www2 and www3 are pointing to the -sj datacenter. The -fi datacenter was recently discovered by another member and apparently has a slightly different version of the new index.
That's why I didn't understand the posting that www-in is somehow "fresher"?
TJ
www-in just looks like www to me?
Agreed...but I'm almost certain this was not the case previously.
OK, but was it the SJ index, or something different again?
I'm just curious in all this, it won't actually mean anything to me!
TJ
dvduval,
I think you've got it right.
For those who missed it, check post #128 and googleguy's reply (post #129) in Update Dominic - Part 3 thread:
[webmasterworld.com...]
Googleguy said "I would guess #1 first, then a gradual process of bringing in updated backlinks and spam filters at the same time as refreshing pages and including new pages."
Note: #1 means "SJ to all data centers".
Since SJ is not at all of the data centers yet, it looks like it will be a while before the rest of the process is completed.
Beth
[edited by: bether2 at 4:26 pm (utc) on May 6, 2003]
Yeah, it probably isn't fresher if it is showing the exact same index as the other datacenters (unless they are leaving fresh date tags off for now). Do a Google search for google-dance tool and you will find the page I am talking about. You can do a search of all 8 datacenters at one time. I think it is interesting that the new index is still only showing at one of the data centers. Most updates in the past had much faster propagation. This one may have many surprises to come.
Does everyone concur that the -in datacenter does in fact have the newest index and do you think this will be the datatcenter that reflects the final update on www?
I have the google dance tool.
What I was interested in was the fact that to someone here it seemed that www-in was showing a "fresher" index.
There's been a lot of talk lately about the "backlinks" index being old, and the "serps" index being new - in which case, the google dance tool may not show you accuracy on "freshness" (of SERPS).... that was my line of thinking.
TJ
I'm very optimistic when I look at the results from -fi. Something is going on out there.
It's confusing... On -sj some of my index.html sites can't be found but new pages are included. Almost 90% of my sites disappeared. This can't be an update.
As I mentioned in the -sj thread, Deepbot grabed one entire level of my site and went away for over a day. After that, the bots returned to get many many more pages. It's that second batch I am not seeing yet? Does this make sense?
If so, is it possible that the new algo is being applied to a portion of the crawl to see what a more constant crawl cycle will look like in the future?
-in has the old cache with some (but old links)
-sj has the newer cache with no links at all.
-in does have the full 661,000 backlinks for yahoo, whereas -sj doesnt.
So sj looks like the new cache, without all the links yet added.
Anyone agree?
once these links are added to sj do you think the SERP'S will change based on inbound link text?
So I would hope they add the April trawl sites and links and soon!
There is talk that Google maybe doing different test on each center.
What do you think?
Googleguy said "I would guess #1 first, then a gradual process of bringing in updated backlinks and spam filters at the same time as refreshing pages and including new pages."
Here is one thing people should check:
Are there any backlinks of high PageRank that are not displaying in the www-sj site. If so, that will furthur support the idea that www-sj is far from final.
